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e0qdk, (edited ) to kbinMeta in Multiple questions regarding Kbin
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Let me preface my response by saying: my answer is kbin specific. It might or might not also apply to mbin since they may have changed things (or kept older features that kbin changed) since they forked. I know a few of the differences between them, but I haven't kept up with most of mbin's specifics.

Also, if anyone stumbles into this in the far future: note that this post is from March 2024. If that seems like a long time ago, check for newer information...

Can searches be made more specific? On Lemmy, you could define whether you wanted to search for communities/magazines, threads, comments, users and urls.

You can search for magazines specifically from the magazine page. The general search searches in microblogs, thread text -- but not the thread title(?), and comments/replies, I think. You can search for exact user profiles as well with the "@ user @ instance" syntax -- e.g. searching for @TamperTanuki@fedia.io shows a link to your profile as the result. (That also applies to magazines/communties -- e.g. @kbinMeta@kbin.social will find both a user called "kbinMeta" and this magazine as search results -- but searching for magazines from the magazine page is probably better for most use cases.) You can sometimes also find the local version of a federated thread if you search for the original post URL. Note that searching for a post on another instance may not always work; if you're copying a link to a thread you found in a comment post and someone linked to their instance's local version of a thread and that isn't the original source it probably won't find it. (I've had decent luck with it in practice though. For the latter problematic case, load the post on the instance and then find the fediverse link which should take you to the original source and then search for that to find it on your instance.)

@piotrsikora @ernest -- FYI searching for this thread by the exact title "Multiple questions regarding Kbin" does not find it currently but searching text like "as a new Kbin/Mbin user" will find it. Is that a bug?

@piotrsikora @ernest -- Searching for a URL that is not a thread causes a 50x error.

Lastly, you can change the result order (newest/controversial/oldest).

You can change newest/top/hot/active etc. for the results on kbin by clicking on the tabs above the search results.

To send toots/tweets, do I have to specify a magazine? I seem to be unable to send a toot without specifying a magazine first, although I only try to adress a mastodon user directly.

Unclassified microblogs (e.g. from Mastodon users) usually end up in random, but I'm not sure how to post them intentionally since I don't use the microblog feature much. Hopefully someone else can chime in with an answer for this.

Is this even the right magazine to ask these questions in? Is there a dedicated kbin support magazine?

It's fine for kbin questions but you might get a better response for details about your specific instance (which runs mbin) on a local magazine like /m/fedia@fedia.io maybe? Sorry if that doesn't link correctly; I rarely link anything other than lemmy communities. (EDIT: https://fedia.io/m/fedia )

On Lemmy, users can send each others direct messages. It seems like Kbin/Mbin has no way of displaying those direct messages. Is that correct or is there a way to show direct messages?

DMs do not work between kbin and lemmy as far as I know. I have a lemmy alt linked in my profile in case lemmy users want to DM me.

You should be able to send messages to local users on your instance though by going to a user's profile and clicking "Send Message" on the right side.

Trying to access the send message interface for your account from kbin doesn't work here, so I doubt mbin/kbin DMs work. (@ernest this seems to redirect to login and then immediately to the home view instead of opening the message page or showing an error -- is this a bug?)

Hope that helps!

@piotrsikora @ernest -- this thread did not show up on other instances (e.g. I couldn't see it from my alt on reddthat.com despite being subscribed to this magazine from there as well) when I found it originally. I upvoted it here on kbin.social and now it shows up on reddthat. Is that a federation bug (either on fedia.io's side or on kbin.social's side)?

@piotrsikora -- FYI: I got a lot of 50x errors trying to edit this comment.

TamperTanuki,

Thanks for taking the time for your long message. I tried searching for this topic on my lemmy alt. This topic did not show up on either my fedia account, nor the kbin magazine at first, but does now. One more oddity I noticed is that the mbin UI did not hotlink your mentions, but the lemmy UI did so correctly.

HeartyBeast,

Totally awesome answer. Saving for future study.

livus, (edited )
@livus@kbin.social avatar

Unclassified microblogs (e.g. from Mastodon users) usually end up in random, but I'm not sure how to post them intentionally since I don't use the microblog feature much. Hopefully someone else can chime in with an answer for this.

I can answer this, go to your own profile, choose add new post (not thread) and then from the "select a magazine" dropdown choose random. Then just use your @ tag like normal if you want to @ someone in the fediverse.

@TamperTanuki

jerry, to fedia in Fedia.io instability
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ok - I took a bit different approach. Since I know what error in rabbitmq's log file is associated with things coming to a stop on fedia.io, I installed swatchdog and set it up to look for that word (which is, btw, "timeout"). I created a script that stops all the messengers, then stops php-fpm, keydb, and rabbitmq. Then it start rabbit, keydb, and php-fpm in order. Finally, it restarts the messengers.

I will be surprised if it works first time, so it may still crash again but I'll be watching

jerry, to fedia in No new posts on Fedia all day? Federation broken?
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The cause is unclear to me, but the processes that manage incoming and outgoing federation were "stuck" until I manually intervened. It's running now. I'm adding to my to-do list for after my job ends in 10 days to implement some sort of detection and hopefully automated restart for when this happens again.

Maestro,

Thank you!

doc,

Hey @jerry, looks like it's stuck again. Been 3+ hours it looks like.

jerry,
@jerry@fedia.io avatar

It's working through the backlog now. Another obscure bug in an incoming message that stopped message processing.

downpunxx, to fedia in No new posts on Fedia all day? Federation broken?

yep, just posted the issue to github about 42 minutes ago, maybe somebody kicked the instance?

https://github.com/MbinOrg/mbin/issues/845

kbal,
@kbal@fedia.io avatar

Interesting choice over there to close the issue so quickly rather than asking for more info, although you didn't give them much to go on.

I wonder what was the resolution of the previous problem that frequently caused this sort of thing? Was the error handling improved such that we might reasonably expect the processing to keep going when it hits something it doesn't like, or was it just a quick fix for the one specific thing that happened to be breaking it at the time? Did that one make it to the github tracker?

jerry,
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That GitHub tracker is for problems with mbin code, not with instances running Mbin software. The problem that Fedia experienced is very likely caused by a bug of some sort in mbin (or something that Mbin is depending on), but we don’t know for sure what it is yet. Once I’m unemployed in a week, I hope to have more time to debug issues like this and get them resolved.

kbal,
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I thought maybe I could help somehow but it turned out I was insufficiently unemployed, for this week at least. Good luck though.

Fitik, to fedia in No new posts on Fedia all day? Federation broken?
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@Maestro Yep, same problem for me, someone needs to message Jerry

MHLoppy, (edited )
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I've sent him a DM on infosec.exchange (Y)

Edit: he said he's taking a look

Nougat, to fedia in Error when creating new thread

Of note, I didn't get that error when posting this.

jerry, to fedia in nothing showing up in sub/microblog except for hashtags
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Apologies - I've been having all manner of problems with mbin processing inbound federation messages. I don't have a fix, or even know what the problem is yet, but trying to keep it working.

kbal,
@kbal@fedia.io avatar

Thanks Jerry, just wanted to report it since it seems a little different than the usual federation problems. The server does have the messages, they just don't show up in the view.

kbal,
@kbal@fedia.io avatar

I've just looked again and it's working normally now.

jerry,
@jerry@fedia.io avatar

Good to hear

shadow, to fedia in Federation is broke again.
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@jerry Not a dev, anything I can help, Jerry? Tests?

DarkThoughts, to fedia in Federation is broke again.

How do other mbin instances handle this?

jerry,
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So far, we are the only ones having the problem. It is almost certainly because we have many more accounts/activity than others. The current problem may be a rabbitmq bug

notsure, to fedia in Federation is broke again.
@notsure@fedia.io avatar

Thank you!

subignition, to fedia in Federation is broke again.
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Appreciate you!

Australis13, to fedia in Federation is broke again.

Thanks for the update and all your hard work - it is definitely appreciated!

jerry, to fedia in The fedia federation is broken again?
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it was indeed broken again. should be fixed now

fairchild,

seems allright from here!

DarkThoughts, to fedia in After a much needed break for a few days, fedia.io seems to be back to having rabbitmq issues that result in federation pausing.

Hm, yeah. Made a thread in another instance and it does not show up there if I visit their own page.

jerry,
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At the moment, there isn't anything going on that would cause that. Can you tell me which other instance/which thread so i can try to troubleshoot?

DarkThoughts,
jerry,
@jerry@fedia.io avatar

thanks. I think the name of the instance is the most important part - I can test of federation with them to see what went wrong.

DarkThoughts,

I can repost it. I just didn't want to end up with it federating when it was a day or two old already.

DarkThoughts,

Okay, I had to actually go to the instance as the modlog here did not show anything, but apparently my post was removed... But only on their side? It did not show "removed by moderator" on my end:

reason: Threativore automatic post removal: image spam

Not sure how that works or why. I used an external imgur album link, an additional imgur image link in the body, along with some various thread & modlog links.

At least I now also see the pure extend of the mod abuse and terrorist simping on Lemmy as I filtered through my account.

jerry,
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The modlog function in lemmy/mbin can be a bit confusing. I don't think the moderation actions of one instance propagate to the modlog of another instance. I think that is only really problematic in cases where the moderation action was taken on the home instance of a magazine/community.

DarkThoughts,

I've seen issues with that too, where it does not show a lot of moderator actions on mbin but on the actual community modlog of the Lemmy instance. In this case it seems to be some sort of instance wide automod / spam protection though, but I don't know what exactly triggered it.

Blaze, (edited )
@Blaze@feddit.org avatar

Seems like an interesting thread

DarkThoughts,

Does not look like I can repost it, at least not without understanding the auto removal.
https://fedia.io/m/fedia/t/1311244/After-a-much-needed-break-for-a-few-days-fedia-io/comment/7812247#entry-comment-7812247

BlueKey, to fedia in After a much needed break for a few days, fedia.io seems to be back to having rabbitmq issues that result in federation pausing.
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The problems go on and it seems it not just that federation fully stops from time to time.

The /all has current content but for example /m/greentext@sh.itjust.works didn't receive updates in days.

jerry,
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I am investigating…

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