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btaf45, in President Biden is now posting into the fediverse

Can anyone tell me how I can follow President Biden from kbin.social?

Communist,
@Communist@lemmy.ml avatar

I’d bet kbin is defederated, almost everything is defederated from threads

Maeve,

I hope you're right, but I would love to know someone posted this to Geno Joe.

btaf45,

If that's the case I will go to Mastodon. But I would love to follow Biden on kbin.

Nia_The_Cat,

kbin.social/u/@potus you can follow him via this link (anyone else on other kbin instances, just adjust the link to your instance, assuming you aren’t defederated or if it isn’t bugging out atm on your server it should work)

Remember that federation is currently one way with threads. You and other fediverse users can see your own replies and boosts etc on their posts and interact with each other, but no one from threads can see your interactions or replies to them.

HeartyBeast,

If you search for @potus he comes up and you can select Follow. Content should then show in the ‘Microblog’ stream. Might take a while to start flowing, though

btaf45,

Thanks! It works.

bionicjoey, in Kbin.cafe on Blocking Meta's New Threads App

their first strike results in a block.

What do you consider a “strike”? Does Meta’s reputation and history not constitute a “strike”?

barista,

Good question! By and large, some of the following would count as a "strike":

  • Poor moderation
  • Excessive spam
  • Most importantly: Making non-backwards compatible changes to the ActivityPub specification that may lead to the classic "Embrace, extend, extinguish" situation
  • Probably more...
0xtero, in Defederation, Threads and You

Finally someone who has a clue. That was well written and easy to understand. Thank you for all the work you put into that post!

Defederation is about what an instance allows in, not what an instance allows out. Defederation stops you seeing the defederated instance's content, but it does not stop them seeing your instance's content.

As a final, tiny little point of interest - there is a setting called AUTHORIZED_FETCH (Secure mode) which will force the requesting instance to authenticate. This can be used to stop the data from flowing out.

Of course enabling this is somewhat problematic as it tends to break other things. But it's there.

LedgeDrop,

Thank you for the clarification. I was also confused by that quote (ie: if you can control who’s data your reading… you should be able to control who has access to your data. Of course, this doesn’t include mirroring content and other shady practices, but I don’t think Meta would go down that path to avoid being defederated)

LibertyLizard, in Meta just showed off Threads’ fediverse integration for the very first time
@LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net avatar

So which specific platforms are they integrated with? Just Mastodon or are there others?

Somewhereunknown7351,
@Somewhereunknown7351@kbin.social avatar
LibertyLizard,
@LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net avatar

Sounds like federation is more theoretical than real at this point. I don’t see much point in one way federation. But does this mean that threads users could pop into this thread and comment?

Somewhereunknown7351,
@Somewhereunknown7351@kbin.social avatar

No, they can’t see our comments (and posts) but they can see likes

LibertyLizard,
@LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net avatar

Ah I guess I hadn’t thought it through fully. So this does almost nothing in the current implementation.

Somewhereunknown7351,
@Somewhereunknown7351@kbin.social avatar

Yes, this does almost nothing in the current implementation

Rottcodd, in Can KBin not like, freak out at any turn when surfing on it?
@Rottcodd@kbin.social avatar

This isn't "the fediverse." This is one instance. "The fediverse" is a network of interoperable instances, each one owned and maintained separately.

Personally, I think the best way to interact with the fediverse is to maintain accounts on multiple instances. I have a dozen or so accounts total, and regularly use four or five of them. They're all under the same name, so they're all "me," but they're spread out instead of everything being on one account on one instance.

The main reason I prefer that is that every instance is different. Even though they're all interacting with the same broad pool of content, they each have a different userbase with different preferences, which means that they each have a different set of federated instances and subscribed communities. There's a fair amount of stuff I'll see on one instance but not on another, and it follows the overall focus of the instance. So whatever my mood might be or I might be interested in, I have an account on a suitable instance to match it.

Another advantage though, and directly on topic, is that I always have an alternative if one of them is having problems. Since each instance is privately owned and maintained rather than being owned by a corporation and maintained by its staff, there's any number of quirks and difficulties and failures. And that's just the way it is - the people running these instances are just ordinary people who are basically donating their time and resources, and they don't owe us anything. We get whatever we get, and have no right to demand any more than that.

With accounts on multiple instances, it doesn't matter if one or another of them has difficulties at the moment, or even if one shuts down completely (as two of my favorites have), since i can just switch to a different instance any time.

Kbin is special. It's an entirely different piece of software from Lemmy (and a better one in many ways). But it was written primarily by one person - Ernest - and he's also the owner of this instance. And while he's a great guy, he's also a single individual with other interests and responsibilities, and with some health issues. So it's a great place running on a great piece of software, but it has some difficulties and is often slow and/or glitchy. That's fine - I still like it here, so it's one of my most-used accounts, and I can always use a different one on a different instance if this one is too much of a problem.

BolexForSoup, in Can KBin not like, freak out at any turn when surfing on it?
@BolexForSoup@kbin.social avatar

Can we not like, do that Reddit thing at every turn where a certain topic/title always makes it to the top and everybody just duplicates it even though the exact same conversation happens every time?

Doll_Tow_Jet-ski, in My spam filters on kbin social. (Ublock Origin)

Thanks for sharing!

jeena, in (De)centralisation of Lemmy communities in numbers
@jeena@jemmy.jeena.net avatar

Oh what I wish that would have been a table.

Kierunkowy74,
@Kierunkowy74@kbin.social avatar

As you wish!

iso, in (De)centralisation of Lemmy communities in numbers
@iso@lemy.lol avatar

Nice post but hard to read. How about using tables?

head 1 head 2
body 1 body 2

like this:


<span style="color:#323232;">| head 1 | head 2 |
</span><span style="color:#323232;">| --- | --- |
</span><span style="color:#323232;">| body 1 | body 2 |
</span>

Edit: are we sure the data is correct? For example; Lemmy.ml has 16 communities over 10k. Which are linux, memes, asklemmy, technology, worldnews, privacy, opensource, gaming, fediverse, unixporn, linux_gaming, reddit, science, lemmy, selfhost, jerboa.

Kierunkowy74,
@Kierunkowy74@kbin.social avatar

You are looking at subscriber numbers, and this table counts Monthly Active Users (who posted, commented or voted) of the community.

(yes, it is a table now :))

Ashtear, in (De)centralisation of Lemmy communities in numbers

I’m not thrilled about the concentration on lemmy.world, and it’s no coincidence that most of my posts are to my home instance and a growing community on lemmy.zip.

I’ll admit to trying to have it both ways, though. I still post on !games because it could be a draw for new users, and I’d rather have a robust population on a concentrated Lemmy than zero growth (and I’m not the type to discuss world news/politics in this setting).

Serosh, in Lemmy.ml is blocking all requests from /kbin Instances
@Serosh@kbin.social avatar

This is utterly baffling and goes against the whole idea of the Fediverse. To take advantage of the impending mass migration, just days before Reddit shuts down their universal API access for good, this all leaves a very bad taste in my mouth.

So users now have to choose between two already-smaller communities when making the transition? This is only going to make a semi-complicated process even more confusing, and end up pushing users back to Reddit.

I had mostly used Lemmy.ml up to this point, but I didn’t leave Reddit to join another u/spez dictatorship. What a disappointing turn of events. Kbin is now my primary.

hugz,

Decentralisation means a clash of egos

kabe,
@kabe@lemmy.world avatar

No need to get on the high horse just yet. This is much more likely to be a sever/sync issue than some kind of shadowy conspiracy.

If lemmy.ml wanted to defederate, they’d just go ahead and do it.

BraveSirZaphod,
@BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social avatar

I'm not sure how much you know about networking or HTTP, but from the evidence posted, this very much is not the kind of thing that just accidentally happens.

Texas_Hangover,

The admins of lemmy.ml are literal commie scum. No surprise that they are a tad authoritarian.

ChemicalRascal,
@ChemicalRascal@kbin.social avatar

They're Tankies. Don't confuse Tankies and communists, even if there's a certain historical adjacency there. They are ultimately different concepts.

paradox2011, in Is there an Imgur equivalent in the Fediverse?

Sorry for necrobumping this thread and you may have already found a solution, but you might try Picsur. It’s an open-source, self-hosted Imgur clone. The self-hosted aspect might not be exactly what you’re looking for, but I did set it up in docker and it worked well and was a simple process.

The development seems to have slowed down a bit, but it does seem feature complete.

HeartyBeast, in How Mastodon made friends with Meta

I love how this article goes paid only, just as Eugen is about to start answering the interesting questions. And by like, I of course mean 'hate'.

Die4Ever, in How to add federated communities to kbin.social?

use Kbin’s search and search for @community_name@server, it’s the same as Lemmy except you use an @ sign at the front instead of an ! sign

Timwi,
@Timwi@kbin.social avatar

Thank you!!

Kierunkowy74, in Sublinks Aims to Be a Drop-In Replacement for Lemmy
@Kierunkowy74@kbin.social avatar

From the project website:

Sublinks, crafted using Java Spring Boot, stands as a state-of-the-art link aggregation and microblogging platform , reminiscent yet advanced compared to Lemmy & Kbin.

But the author of PieFed, written in even more popular language than Java (Python) said:

The thing with the more twitter-style ActivityPub projects is they send activities to individual users inboxes a lot, whereas with the threadverse it's all shared inboxes. So there's a fundamental difference in the way they use the protocol which makes scaling those projects much more difficult. My gut feel is that adding full microblog support would increase the size and complexity of the codebase by at least 50% and triple the server load. Maybe much more. It just doesn't seem worth it.

A feature creep?

(maybe they see a bus factor = 1 as the only issue of /kbin, though)

0x1C3B00DA,
@0x1C3B00DA@kbin.social avatar

I think the developer of PieFed is mistaken because the microblogging projects also use shared inbox a lot. My understanding is that for certain classes of posts, they actually just use it over a user's individual inbox and the remote server is responsible for delivering it from the shared inbox to the user's timeline.

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