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lertsenem, in Linux gamers, what distro are you currently on?
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I weirdly did not see anyone mentioning SteamOS? Formerly based on Ubuntu, now based on Arch, I believe.

It's the distribution that the #SteamDeck is packaged with, and so it's become my main gaming distrib now. :]

nlm,
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Are they providing the arch based version for download now? I was under the impression they’ve only set it up for steam decks but not for general use?

EmpiricalFlock,
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According to the website the public release is based off of Debian still.

nlm,
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Yeah, thought so. Hope they’ll publish their newer versions as well soon.

lertsenem,
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@nlm You're right, but there is an unofficial version (with some tweaks to work on standards PC) available here.

It works as intended, but I would only recommend it if you intend to use your PC in a console-like setup (ie, plugged to a big screen, with a game controller).

nlm,
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Ah cool!

Not something I’d use now then but still neat that you can get it :)

jakepi,

I tried HoloISO and had pretty mixed results. I’ve had much better luck with ChimeraOS.

The devs on ChimeraOS are excellent too, they take in community feedback and are very helpful.

Sharmat, in Linux gamers, what distro are you currently on?

Currently running Fedora on my laptop and Arch on my desktop, though I’ll probably migrate from Fedora to openSUSE next month.

nlm,
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Oh, an openSUSE fan! There’s dozens of us! :)

I do really enjoy Tumbleweed with Plasma to be honest. It just feels so polished.

ANuStart,

While I like Tumbleweed and Plasma, I can't for the life of me figure out why KDEWallet keeps asking for my password to get on wifi every time I reboot.

Sharmat,

Yeah, that happens sometimes for me too. I usually just disable it in the settings, but irrc, if you set the kwallet password and the user password to be the same, it shouldn’t ask for it.

nlm,
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Yeah I remember it happening for me at some point as well and I think this fixed it. It was quite some time ago though so I’m not sure at all. :P

winged_fluffy, in Linux gamers, what distro are you currently on?
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I'm currently on Pop! OS 22.04 LTS. For me it worked out of the box. That installer with the NVidia drivers already included was a dream, so I didn't have to set up anything special. I did end up preferring the KDE desktop over Gnome, so I just went screw it and installed KDE plasma on top of it. It's been my daily driver like this for years.

Though, honesty requires me to mention that over the 4-ish years I've been using it they pushed a kernel update twice which killed the nvidia drivers, causing you to be unable to boot to the desktop. Solution was as simple as just rebooting into the previous kernel for a while and waiting for an update which fixes it, but still...

Other than that, pretty happy with it and I'm unlikely to change anytime soon.

ezri,
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I tried PopOS but had several issues immediately, including the display flickering despite updating my Nvidia driver. Other than that it just felt like a somewhat worse Ubuntu to me, so I quickly went back to Ubuntu

nlm,
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One thing that bugged me last time I wanted to try out Pop was that my Efi partition was considered too small. It was 500mb, you’d think that’d be enough?

noodlejetski, in Linux gamers, what distro are you currently on?

EndeavourOS with Plasma. migrated from Manjaro after one too many questionable decision on their side.

nlm,
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What bugged you about Manjaro?

noodlejetski,

basically every thing on https://manjarno.snorlax.sh/, one by one. I just reached the point when I decided to hop to another distro at the next reformat.

nlm,
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Sure, there are some bad mistakes in there but that site feels like a personal vendetta though.

regulatorg, in Linux gamers, what distro are you currently on?

PopOS is best for out the box gaming, its similar to Ubuntu so you'll be familiar with it

nlm,
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What’s their biggest advantages against Ubuntu?

averyfalken,

Truthfully it comes with nvidoa drivers pre installed.

Personally I run mint and its just a couple of clicks to get it installed in mint. I tried pop is didn’t like it that much and gave me less stability with some of my use cases

nlm,
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Yeah, that’s basically what I figured. Plus some bells and whistles in the design department. Might just as well go with *buntu and install drivers then.

averyfalken,

Don’t know how different it is with buntu I know mint does extra things. I’d you like the cinnamon desktop mints the best bet

simonced, in Linux gamers, what distro are you currently on?

In my case, I use Fedora exclusively (no dual boot).

I tried PopOS, but I had problems with each update.

nlm,
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Any particular reason for Fedora or is that just what you are comfortable with?

simonced,

No real reason I think.

I had problems with PopOS, but I could have gone Mint since it’s the one I knew the most.

But since I was reinstalling, I gave Fedora a try, and I liked it so I kept it.

nlm,
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Feels like that’s pretty common these days. Most of the big distros are polished enough to get the work done without jumping through too many hoops really.

SemioticStandard, in Following the usual playbook, IBM's Red Hat begins locking down access to it's "open source"
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What is it lately with companies and shooting themselves in the foot? Have all the CEOs gotten together and mutually decided that this was the year they were going to piss off their communities?

Red Hat are burning through a lot of the good will they’ve made over the years with this.

Here’s the statement the Rocky Linux folks put out:

rockylinux.org/news/2023-06-22-press-release/

Good luck, brothers. I wish you well.

hopolapopola, in Following the usual playbook, IBM's Red Hat begins locking down access to it's "open source"
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well that’s a bit of a dick move

Hirom, in Following the usual playbook, IBM's Red Hat begins locking down access to it's "open source"

Opensource licenses typically doesn’t require the software to be free, just that the source and modification be made available to users.

Making user pay to access both binaries and source is fair, as long as RedHat keep contributing code to upstream projects.

followthewhiterabbit, in What's the best Linux alternative to Windows for gaming

Isn’t this Pop-OS’s thing? Being literally for the gamers on Linux?

wet_lettuce,

I dont know that its how they brand themselves, but Pop!_OS is a fantastic linux gaming distro.

Its based on Ubuntu, but they do several very important things: they update/patch the kernel with the latest drivers and goodness and provide the latest nvidia proprietary drivers. So you get the stability and durability of ubuntu + newer kernel support which means things like much more current mesa drivers (for radeon cards).

I’ve been using it full-time for 3 (or 4?) years now. I technically have my PC dual booting with Windows for gaming reasons, but since the steamdeck took off all of the big games I want to play are available on linux. I’ve logged into windows exactly 2 times and that was to run updates.

Pop has been rock solid and turned out to be a great gaming OS.

Lx32, in What's the best Linux alternative to Windows for gaming
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ATM I use PopOS on my rtx3050m laptop. Once you understand how to setup all the command for using the discrete graphics it runs flawless.

skookumasfrig,

I use PopOS too. With Lutris, most games run out of the box.

Lx32,
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The problem are only native linux games runned trought Steam. In hybrid mode they will not use the discrete graphic card. For the rest I have no problem

skookumasfrig,

I run my entire steam library that way. You need to enable steam play for all games.

Lx32,
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I know. I try to explain better. My laptop has the intel integrated graphics and the nvidia dedicated. From PopOs I usw the hybrid mode, zo both the card are running. From lutris and heroic I have no problem. I switch the toggle andthe game will run with the nvidia card. From steam all the games that will use proton use the nvidia card as default. While all native linux games not, they will use the intel ones if not specified.

tango_octogono, in What's the best Linux alternative to Windows for gaming
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It kind of doesn’t matter which distro you use. They should all work similarly with gaming, there’s no distro with some magic formula that makes it more compatible or with better performance than the alternatives. So pick one that strikes your fancy.

If you’re new, it’s probably better to stick with well known distros. I recommend Mint and Pop OS. Both are based on Ubuntu, so every time you run into an issue or have a questions, you can google solutions for Ubuntu which will also work on Mint/Pop OS. But both also have big communities, so you’ll always have help.

Word of advice that Nvidia and Linux don’t really work that well together. Some games will have issues. AMD GPUs work just fine though.

DEADBEEF, in Going to try Debian 12 when it releases is there anything i should know about Debian in general beforehand?
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Debian-specific advice

Debian is a stable distro, so software versions will remain pretty much the same over the life cycle. This is good if stability (software not changing out from under you) is desired, but if you want to take advantage of new features as they are added to whatever software you’re running, it’s less beneficial. So, if you’re going to run debian as a desktop os, I would recommend switching your apt sources to point to the unstable branch: sid switching your apt sources to point to testing (see below).

You’ll probably see a lot of older tutorials and stackoverflow posts that use apt-get, which predates apt, instead of apt as the package manager. apt is the recommended frontend; apt-get will work, but apt will have a nicer user experience.

Also, on the topic of apt, there are three ways to run updates that you’ll probably see online; this stackexchange post provides a pretty good explanation of the differences between them.

General linux advice that I think is worth sharing

Man pages are pretty helpful once you know how to navigate them. Some tips regarding that:

  • You mentioned that you tried manjaro, so I think you probably already know what man is, but just in case: man is the command that you use to pull up manual pages for basically everything.
  • You can search through the man database for a keyword with the apropos or man -k commands. For example, apropos video pulls up a list of all the man pages that have the word video in their names or descriptions.
  • You might notice when running the above command that there are numbers in parentheses after the manual names. This is because the manuals are broken out into 9 sections based on the types of pages they contain. You can put the section number before the name to specify which section to pull up the manual from. So, if you had two manuals named foo in sections 1 and 3, to pull up the one for section 3 you would use the command: man 3 foo. If you want to read more, man has it’s own manual page, which you can pull up with man man.
  • You can search for text in man with / and ?. / performs a forward search and ? performs a backwards search. You can jump forward to the next result in the search with n or back to the previous result with p.
  • The bottom of man pages will have a ‘see also’ section, which lists related commands. Some man pages will also have an examples section.

Another good place to look for documentation is the arch wiki. A lot of the information on there translates to other distros fairly well, and it’s got huge amounts of well written information. If you use duckduckgo, the bang for it is !aw.

The shell is pretty intimidating for a lot of new users. While it’s not strictly necessary for most things, I do think that you’ll have a smoother linux experience if you become at least a little bit comfortable using it. Here is a bash guide aimed at beginners.

Finishing Thoughts

Looking back at what I’ve written, I realize that I have dumped a lot of information on you. So I think the best piece of advice that I can offer is this: Becoming comfortable with linux (or any new operating system) takes time and can feel overwhelming. Don’t feel pressured to understand everything immediately and don’t be afraid to go slow; Rome wasn’t built in a day.

I’ve been running linux as a daily driver for 6 or 7 years now, and I run debian on my servers, so if you have any questions now or in the future, I am happy to try to answer them.

Hirom,

I would recommend switching your apt sources to point to the unstable branch: sid.

Strongly disagree with this. Most users should use Debian stable, or if you needs new versions of specific software, then maybe testing or backports.

Unstable is intented for Debian maintainers, and people who do QC and debug Debian. Unstable means more frequent bugs and breakages, which only makes sense if you’re working on detecting bugs and fixing them before new packages arrive in testing/stable.

Using unstable without being an advanced Debian users is asking for trouble, because you risk more frequent breakages that requires manual intervention and in-depth Debian/Linux knowledge to fix thing. Veteran Linux users may be comfortable with this, but it’s the wrong choice for most new users.

DEADBEEF,
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Good point. Testing would probably be a better choice; I’ll edit the parent comment to reflect that

Hirom,

Thanks

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