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Duke_Nukem_1990, in Systemd-Free Immutable Distro Nitrux 2.9.1 Is Out Powered by Liquorix Kernel 6.4

Any short comparison between the advantages of OpenRC vs systemd?

d3Xt3r,

Technically speaking, OpenRC doesn’t really have any benefits in the real world, some people may claim faster boot times, but that’s debatable on modern hardware. In fact objectively, it’s inferior to systemd in many ways.

The real advantage though is that it’s pretty simple and easy to use, understand and maintain. It follows the Unix philosophy of “do one thing, and do it right”. People who like to have full understanding and fine control over their systems would prefer using OpenRC or similar init systems (with a mix-and-match of other utilities and daemons as per their need), instead of relying on a giant monolothic package like systemd which keeps getting bloated with more and more “unnecessary” features with each release.

Basically, you can say that it’s a difference of ideology.

jarfil,

Systemd is not monolithical, it just happens that it’s made of elements optimized to work well together, instead of running everything through different text parsers when “mixing and matching” random daemons.

storksforlegs, in What new OS* have you tried this year?
@storksforlegs@beehaw.org avatar

I tried PopOS finally after many glowing reviews… and it was beautiful, snappy and had lots of unique features. But while it was very friendly, I had trouble finding my way around. I think still aimed at linux users who are a little more knowledgable. (Not me.)

Ultimately I am too basic and went back to Mint.

bbbhltz,
@bbbhltz@beehaw.org avatar

Interesting. I haven’t used Pop, but I had always been under the impression that it was meant to be as easy as Mint.

storksforlegs,
@storksforlegs@beehaw.org avatar

Oh I think it is! You should definitely give it a try, I think it’s just me. I tend to do pretty poorly with OS that aren’t extremely windows-like.

pineapplelover, in What new OS* have you tried this year?

GrapheneOS and Arch Linux. Both amazing. I’m staying indefinitely.

KindnessInfinity,

I gotta get into Arch someday. How’s your experience so far? Easy to use? (I’m sure it is, the wiki is very detailed) Glad to see you like GOS

grue, in What new OS* have you tried this year?

I’m not particularly militant about Linux distros, but Alpine is one distro I disapprove of in particular. The reason is that it isn’t GNU/Linux – it strips out (copyleft) GNU libc and coreutils and replaces them with permissively-licensed alternatives. I think that (whether intentional or not) it caters too much to corporate interests that exploit “open source” without truly respecting the users’ freedom, and therefore its popularity is potentially harmful to the Free Software movement in the long run.

garam,
@garam@lemmy.my.id avatar

But alpine license isn’t that bad right? I mean musl is okaish?

Can you elaborate more?

Thank you

grue,

Considered in and of themselves, permissive licenses are “fine.” They confer all four of the freedoms the FSF lists here, so there’s nothing wrong with them from the perspective of the person receiving the code as an end-user.

The problem is that, unlike copyleft, they fail to bind that recipient to the same conditions and guarantee those freedoms will be maintained for all downstream users who receive the code in the future. They are thus exploitable by those who would take without giving back in return. This makes permissively-licensed code popular with the exploiters, but is bad for the users in the long run.

See, for example, MacOS and iOS: in theory, they’re just BSDs with fancy proprietary UIs, but in practice they can be made so locked-down and user-hostile there’s an entire movement devoted to creating new laws to force Apple to stop bricking people’s property because they needed to replace a bad hardware component. Those four freedoms I referenced earlier are definitely no longer being upheld by Apple, even though Apple itself benefited from them to make the software in the first place.

There’s a reason why copyleft-licensed Linux is so much more popular than permissively-licensed BSD, and resistance to selfish bad actors (even as flawed as it is, what with the “tivoization” exploit of the GPLv2 and all) fragmenting the community with proprietary features is undoubtedly part of it.

LeFantome,

There are some opinions mascaraing as fact here and some not very evidence driven at that.

Linux is a beneficiary of great timing. The pre-cursor to FreeBSD, BSD 386, already existed and was much more mature when Linux appeared. The reason that Linux became popular was primarily that AT&T launched a lawsuit against BSD which made its legal status questionable during a critical few years. This was at the dawn of the Internet and the distribution and collaboration that enabled. By the time the lawsuit was resolved, Linux was massively more popular and BSD was left behind. Ironically, early Linux never faced early legal trouble as it was not taken seriously by UNIX players. The Linux lawsuits came later but, by then, Linux had major corporate backers ( see SCO vs IBM with IBM being the on the Linux side ).

Hell, Linus himself has said that he would never even have created Linux is Minix had been free ( meaning explicitly free as in beer, not as in freedom at the time ). In fact, Linus did not want to adopt the GPL at first because it allowed charging for the software.

One reason that Linux was able to advance so quickly ( or exist at all ) was the existence of GNU and especially GCC. I hate the amount of credit GNU tries to take for moderns Linux distros but there is no denying its importance in making Linux viable early on.

Today, Linux succeeds over BSD primarily because of the greater corporate interest. Apple does not really use the BSD kernel either.

These days, the most popular license used in typical Linux installs is MIT and permissively licensed software is more common than GPL. Some MIT communities, like the X Window Project, are decades old and represent strong trends away from corporate dominance and exploration over time. The vibrancy of all the Open Source communities cannot be explained in terms of the world-view expressed in the comment above. I do not have the numbers in front of me to support this but it is my own impression that permissively licensed software generally succeeds more often at creating sustainable communities. Or maybe it is just the FSF. While there are many successful GPL programs, fewer than 500 of them are GNU and there are almost as many abandoned GNU projects as there are active ones.

In my view, the most important GNU program by far is GCC. That evil Apple company you cite created LLVM / Clang and licensed it permissively. They did by far the most work on it and yet have it away. Today, other evil companies like Microsoft contribute to Clang / LLVM as well. LLVM is of course the basis for the Rust language, another corporate contribution. The lack of GPL here does not seem to have prevented any of this innovation, the massive contributions to the community, or collaboration between these giant corporate interests. This is just one example.

mojo, in Best Linux for tablet pc ?

Better question would be what DE. Gnome runs pretty well on tablets. Would still see if you could get an attachable keyboard though.

t3rmit3, in Linux gamers, what distro are you currently on?

I tend to gravitate towards Ubuntu simply because it’s so big and well supported by most things. I’ve run Arch in the past but I’ve gotten too old and lazy for that if I’d be completely honest. I have played with manjaro and endeavour though… and opensuse tumbleweed, rolling is kind of nice.

Are you me? Did you also use BlackArch for a while, and still use Rainmeter? :P

nlm,
@nlm@beehaw.org avatar

Ubuntu does make things easier.

I had everything set up the way I wanted it in Ubuntu the other day… but something still itched a bit so now I’m on Tumbleweed and feeling better. :D

Though Diablo 4 tends to crash after playing it for a while… not sure if I’d have the same issue in Ubuntu or not, might have to triple boot for a bit just to try it out. I really do want to stay here in chameleon land though so it would probably be better to just try to find the cause of the crashing.

I do think this is a pretty common thing among us linux geeks though, never really feeling content and just wanting to try everything. :)

Never did try BlackArch or Rainmeter though!

I’ve played around with plenty of distros though… Slackware, Redhat, Gentoo, Arch, *buntu, SuSE (before they split into openSUSE), openSUSE, Manjaro, Endeavour OS and probably a bunch more that I can’t even remember but those are probably the ones I’ve played around with the most.

ctrl, in Linux gamers, what distro are you currently on?

gentoo!

i love the versatility it offers, but it’s very much so DIY. it has great documentation. anyone who considers themselves a “linux enthusiast” should try an install in a VM at some point or another, if nothing else it’s a great learning experience.

for gaming in particular: flatpak steam / lutris / bottles. it’s great because it’s completely distro agnostic. i can take the $USER/.var directory and put it on any distro with flatpak installed and it’ll just work.

nlm,
@nlm@beehaw.org avatar

I am starting to realize how handy flatpaks can be!

I’ve been distro hopping like a madman these last couple of days and it’s gotten so much easier to get going with my games now!

danct12, in Linux gamers, what distro are you currently on?

Arch Linux. Been using it since long ago and play most of my games on it.

MarionWheeler, in Announcing Windows 11 Insider Preview Build 23493

I don’t really care about Windows copilot, so long as there’s an easy group policy to disable it.

Fiivemacs,

I don’t really care about <insert any windows ‘feature’>, so long as there’s an easy group policy to disable it.

Blanket statement.

MolecularStargazer, in Barrier, it just made my Linux life so much better!

Just so you know, the active maintainers moved to github.com/input-leap/input-leap/, as the original project admin has not been active in years. See github.com/input-leap/input-leap/issues/1414 for context.

dewritoninja, in Linux gamers, what distro are you currently on?

Im running good old Ubuntu with gnome. I mostly play terraria, minecraft I and Bethesda rpgs these days so it does everything I need.

noyesster, in Linux gamers, what distro are you currently on?

On my gaming desktop, I am using Fedora currently with the Awesome WM. That might change though with all the RH stuff going on. On my gaming laptop I switch between Arch and Void with Qtile on both.

1993_toyota_camry, in Linux gamers, what distro are you currently on?
@1993_toyota_camry@beehaw.org avatar

I’m using Gentoo.

If I wanted a smooth no-tinkering experience, I’d use Ubuntu. Or hell, steamos.

Sneptaur, in Linux gamers, what distro are you currently on?
@Sneptaur@pawb.social avatar

I use Arch with KDE. I don’t recommend Manjaro because it has historically had some serious problems, so for people who want Arch without as much hassle, I’m recommending EndeavourOS. It’s what Manjaro should be like.

nezach, in Linux gamers, what distro are you currently on?

Endeavour OS (PC and Laptop) and Steam OS. Very happy with both.

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