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uphillbothways, (edited ) in I'm starting to see some serious downsides to being able to see who downvotes you.
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I don't see an issue here.

  1. try to explain your downvotes, or, better yet, voice your disagreement and have a discussion without relying on downvotes to express yourself. Use your words.
  2. when you feel it necessary and that using your words isn't working, upvote/boost everyone but the person in question. Realize downvotes don't really do what you'd hoped and are a poor crutch and means of expression. Elevate what you do agree with. Worry less about what you don't.
  3. just don't care about internet points. As others have said and covered extensively.

Hopefully, what remains is that conversations are important. Having an outlet for undescribed/unformed/ambiguous disagreement/dissent really doesn't add anything to anything for anyone. Making a point or saying something correct is more valuable than shooting down those you find to be incorrect. And, ultimately, it's not just what you think that matters. The consensus of the group and the conversation that gets them there, the experience and the interchange and the community itself are all much more valuable than the destination of a single conversation.

Edit: (And, for the record, while I disagree with your assessment, I've boosted and upvoted your thread, because I think the conversations being had here are valuable and worth seeing by more people.)

Dio, in I'm starting to see some serious downsides to being able to see who downvotes you.
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Is this really an issue for people. Lol.

magnetosphere,
@magnetosphere@kbin.social avatar

You’re asking this in a thread where someone describes exactly how it’s an issue for them.

canis_majoris,
@canis_majoris@lemmy.ca avatar

Yeah but it’s a non-issue, because they’re describing a behavior that cannot be prohibited regardless of if you can see who did it or not. It’s not like there’s a hard archive timer on votes disallowing comments to be interacted with; people can go down the whole history of any of our accounts and downvote all of it.

It’s literally a non-issue, this guy is freaking out because he can just see who did it, like it makes a difference. It’s the ostrich syndrome, if you bury your head in the sand (can’t verify) then it matters less.

billothekid2,
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Who's freaking out my dude? My point was this wouldn't have happened if THEY didn't know who I was. You and others make some good points about some how this happens regardless, and how there are upsides to seeing who downvotes you. I honestly wasn't aware this was a common thing until now. It's why I asked if this has happened to anyone else. Chalk it up to me being a bit naive.

canis_majoris,
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I just don’t get how anybody doesn’t understand how user voting works, regardless of the ability to identify who did which votes.

Are you just now learning that on the internet people are just randomly dicks? Like it hasn’t been that way for the last 20 years?

billothekid2,
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Oh, I'm aware. I've just never heard of "Downvote Fairies". In any case that was never my point, as I've explained.

ernest, in Does adding a photo to a comment not work with federation?
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HeartyBeast,

Got it. Many thanks

ernest, in Where can I find documentation on how federation works?
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0xtero, in Where can I find documentation on how federation works?
Teppic, (edited ) in What's the plan for downvote federation?
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how it should work on kbin.social [?]

In my view ideally upvotes and downvotes federate both ways, but I can also see why some admins might choose not to federate in downvotes.

I guess the real question comes down to what you do with the information.
I think currently the sort order is very heavily skewed towards boosts (which I actually quite like), but I do also sometimes wonder how it would look if the sort order was aligned with the reputation system (i.e. boost= two upvotes).
Having both sort options available might be nice, (noting that we'll not federate in any boosts from Lemmy).

If we did federate in downvotes the current sort order (which seems based on boosts less downvotes?) probably wouldn't make sense?

...I'm also be keen to see others thoughts on this!

Edit: formatting

CoffeeAddict,
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(i.e. boost= two upvotes).

I think this is an interesting concept.

Lemmy users don’t have boosts, so they would not be able to deliver “two upvotes” but I also think kbin shouldn’t be limited by what lemmy can or cannot do.

Having both sorting algorithms for both upvotes and boosts available as a sort option might be the most fair way forward.

livus,
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@CoffeeAddict I might be wrong but I think boosts are more important when we interact with Mastodon?

tjhart85,

A boost is effectively a retweet. The thing you boost gets re-shared from you to the people that follow you ... the stuff I boost with this account is gets added to my feed on my Mastodon account. You're basically saying "damn, I love this comment and want to make sure everyone else gets a chance to see it too!"

Kierunkowy74, in Feature comparison - kbin vs Lemmy
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Threads (a.k.a. posts on Lemmy) can be hashtagged on /kbin

Damaskox,
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Added hashtags

Damaskox, in Feature comparison - kbin vs Lemmy
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I'm so happy that now I can edit the thread picture afterwards!

Needed to edit the picture many times! 😂

tacosanonymous, in Can't block Hexbear communities - with workaround

I’ve learned that if you interact with them, they’ll block you.

Raffster,

Yo'll still see their horrid propaganda though...

Raffster,

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  • tacosanonymous,

    Damn…

    amio,

    Yeah, for being a bunch of "totally not trolls lol" they're remarkably thin-skinned.

    Pons_Aelius,

    That is completely normal. The one thing trolls hate is to be the target of the behaviours they love to inflict on others.

    HubertManne, in Could there be a "Filter" button for magazines?
    @HubertManne@kbin.social avatar

    I like this. Would also make it easier to double check your blocks in case something improved.

    Prouvaire, in Does Kbin have the saving feature?

    It's something that's been requested:

    https://codeberg.org/Kbin/kbin-core/issues/352
    https://codeberg.org/Kbin/kbin-core/issues/551

    I imagine it's a matter of getting around to adding this feature.

    liv, in To those genuinely interested in moderating
    @liv@kbin.social avatar

    Ahhh, I'm so disappointed, I've been working on @conservative for months, and really hoping to take it on,
    and it looks like I missed out.

    Back when I started they actually held a poll about whether my kind of nature content would be OK and it was voted yes, so I hope the new owner is pro-conserving things and doesn't purge it and turn it into just another US politics sub!

    daredevil,
    @daredevil@kbin.social avatar

    Perhaps it's worth a shot to reach out to Ernest about that. It's very apparent that you're one of, if not the most consistent contributors to that magazine. Based off of a cursory glance, the person who took the ownership hasn't made any contributions. Best of luck.

    liv,
    @liv@kbin.social avatar

    Thank you for the idea. I'm not sure how to contact Ernest?

    daredevil, (edited )
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    He replied earlier in this thread--you could try a DM to start. Alternatively, pinging him here may also be an option. I'm not sure which would be best. Apologies.

    liv,
    @liv@kbin.social avatar

    Great news, he has sorted it out for me! Thank you for suggesting it!

    @conservative is saved!

    daredevil,
    @daredevil@kbin.social avatar

    That's fantastic news! I'm glad your hard work was recognized. :)

    liv,
    @liv@kbin.social avatar

    Thanks! It's so nice knowing it won't all be deleted!

    static,
    @static@kbin.social avatar

    Congrats, you deserve it.
    I only posted there a few times, to bump down some posts from that annoying person.

    liv,
    @liv@kbin.social avatar

    I remember you!!! Yeah that person was a bit hard to understand. Sometimes I couldn't see their posts.

    I really appreciated you standing up for me about conserving traditions! :-) ♡

    skepickle,
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    Oh! You got moderator from me! I'm glad you got it. I liked what you did, and didn't get rid of any of your posts while I had moderator there. There were some old posts that didn't fit with the conservation/nature/culture theme... I'm glad it's in the hands of someone with a vision for the magazine. ;-)

    liv,
    @liv@kbin.social avatar

    Hi! I didn't realise.

    If you want to be involved there too, I can add you!

    skepickle,
    @skepickle@kbin.social avatar

    Nah, you're doing a great job! I'll continue to enjoy it as a normal user.

    RealM, in Request: Remove ability to 'boost' your own comments and threads
    @RealM@kbin.social avatar

    Alternatively, upvote/boost your own posts by default when posting.

    I've struggled with this question before myself. On the one hand, there is a notable impact in visibility on posts which I've self-upvoted versus posts which I did not self-upvote, so it does feel like an unfair advantage. On the other hand, I am also a community member in the community I post. I wouldn't post something, if I didn't think it contributes to the overall community. Plus, there's a bug in kbin going on, that new posts only show up in new but not in hot at all, until there is at least some sort of interaction (a comment, or an upvote, or a boost).

    uphillbothways, (edited )
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    I don't upvote/boost my own content on principle. What I've started doing instead when I notice it is boost every other top level comment in the thread to restore parity. That's the only way to make it make sense.

    Prouvaire, in Request: Remove ability to 'boost' your own comments and threads

    In addition to what PugJesus said, it seems to me that a single boost moving a post/comment to the top of the conversation is also a symptom of a bigger issue - which is that a lot of Fediverse communities are still very small. As a community grows in size (from dozens/hundreds of people to thousands/tens of thousands or more) a single boost should have less and less of an impact.

    cacheson, in Can't see many posts on kbinmeta even though the posters are not in my block list (including posts by Ernest).
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    If you've blocked any domains, try unblocking them. Domain blocking is buggy and will hide random stuff from you.

    I've got the photo post bug too, but it only seems to affect me on @anime_irl, while @animemes seems to still work fine.

    Also, you posted this multiple times, may want to delete the other ones. Whenever you make a post, check the "newest" sort order to make sure it went through, and then upvote your own post to make sure it's visible for everyone on the default "hot" sort order.

    tiredofsametab,

    Well, that did it.

    I guess I have to deal with furry porn now (unless it got otherwise banned).

    I couldn't even see the posts and got a 503 error when posted so didn't think it posted at all. Thanks!

    cacheson,
    @cacheson@kbin.social avatar

    Sure thing. Blocking individual communities does still work.

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