Open source, non-corporate instances should be able to grow, and that growth will be stunted if most people who want to interact with the fediverse are deciding to go to corporate, profit-driven instances.
The issue is, how does defederating not promote leaving for Threads or instances that federate with Threads?
I think it's a good argument against Threads federating at all, but a poor one for defederating from Threads.
If Threads produces 95% of content in the fediverse, and your instance defederates from them, then your instance just doesn't have access to those 95% of content. Threads and its friends will be a lot more attractive then because it has 19x the content of what you have access to on your instance.
I think this will still lead to people leaving for the threads fediverse.
Also, I get the argument for Mastodon, but does /kbin actually have anything at all to fear here? Sure, the user numbers and content would be way higher than the rest of the fediverse. But Threads is a Twitter contender, not Reddit like /kbin and Lemmy. We will only see their content in the microblog tab.
Is the microblog tab actually that important to most people, that the instance could become dependent on Threads for dominating it? I honestly don't see it happen, I feel like this is an imported issue from microblogging platforms that's just repeated here despite being a non-issue for us.
I assume that 99.99% of that 95% from threads will not be missed and the other .01% will be linked by someone from a non-threads instance just like how tiktok and other social media currently gets linked.
Is the microblog tab actually that important to most people, that the instance could become dependent on Threads for dominating it?
I don't think it could put the entire instance in jeopardy, but personally I think the microblog tab has a lot of potential (there have already been strides to incorporate it more), and I'd feel a lot less positive about its possibilities if it were full of content from Threads.
Absolutely agreed. I came here to escape proprietary corpo bullshit, and if we don't defederate, I'll just stop using kbin altogether. I love it here, but that will change if Meta's grimy tentacles are able to take hold of the place.
Lots of people here worried about Meta destroying their space, and rightly so.
But I see this from another lens. This is what success for the fediverse looks like. The fediverse was never going to compete with the big players in social media. But it can influence them to be less shitty.
Is this a threat to the fediverse as we know it? Absolutely. But we have the opportunity to make things better for several orders of magnitude more people than are currently here. To me that is a risk worth taking and fighting for.
I’m not saying everyone should roll over and do whatever Meta wants. There’s going to be tension and we are going to need to fight them tooth and nail on many things. But let’s at least participate.
Is the fediverse a technology or an ideology? The... fundamentalism I am seeing around the issue of Threads is a little disturbing. It feels kinda culty.
If you have enabled option "Show top bar" then "Magazines" will not be displayed at the top of the page between "People" and "Collections" and you will have to click "All magazines" at the end of top bar to go to the magazine search.
I’m not worried about dependency on content from threads. I’m primarily concerned with facebook’s data harvesting. I have a Facebook account, but I only touch it when I have to. All other aspects of my social life are pretty much divorced from Facebook. I fear that with federating, my activity will populate on their servers and they will feel completely entitled to all of it to train their AI and create advertising profiles without any consent. All of our activity will be free use for their profit.
I’d actually feel better if the process of federating required an EULA or something where the instance seeking federation must deny any right to use community content without explicit, signed permission from individual users.
In Field of Dreams the ghost voice says "If you build it, they will come.", but fails to say "Oh yeah, you have to look after it once you've done that. You're gonna need a ride-on mower."
Like many folks on aggregator sites, I'd create magazines / communities / sub-sites if it didn't mean I then had to manage and moderate them afterwards. (There are many things in life that fit this pattern.)
Rhyme criticism:
"-zines" and "weeks" is, well, weak.
"Arrives" and "cries" is slightly better, but not by much.
"Soul" and "foul" don't rhyme either, despite appearances.
Then again, maybe it's my own accent that's spoiling these?
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oh, the rhymes are quirky, and filled with joy :)
Like many folks on aggregator sites, I'd create magazines / communities / sub-sites if I didn't mean I then had to manage and moderate them afterwards. (There are many things in life that fit this pattern.)
yes, creating a magazine is the easy part, whereas maintaining a magazine is a matter of discipline
Better to use /m/cars which OP mentioned. I removed the image from mine, just leaving a red box as a reference for a codeberg issue. So it doesn't show how it looks with an image.
If you want some more CSS modifications to try out, there's a magazine for them btw. Though it also includes userstyles, there's some full custom themes for magazine CSS there too.
I can see recent (few hours ago) comments of mine on lemmy.world (and kbin.social is in the linked instances list), so it doesn't look like it actually stopped federating. But yeah, I can't access kbinmeta from over there.
edit: I think I've read, back when ernest was gone, about some big Lemmy instance blocking kbin.social magazine federation because of the bot spam in so many magazines. I assumed it's just rumors, but is it actually real and still a thing lemmy.world is doing?
And regarding your edit, yes, that seems to be the reason, but that is months ago at this point, and they should certainly revert it back, made a post there (linked in above post now through edits) and here (this thread), hope this can bring their attention and reinstate full connection back between both kbin.social and lemmy.world.
Nah the instance as in general. And the people there are smallbrained for all flogging to one instance (wich is administrated worse than reddit) come from a monopoly doing shit, go make a new one that does the same… Clownshow.
And the people there are smallbrained for all flogging to one instance
I know you're from ani.social yourself, but you're telling that to kbin.social, THE main kbin site that according to fedidb has 23 times the active user count of the next biggest kbin/mbin instance (not counting artemis.camp since it's dead, but that one was 1/12 of kbin.social's size). We're really doing the same thing even more.
According to https://fediverse.observer, these are largest threadiverse instances by MAU (but pay attention to different method of counting active users between instances...):
The mods of world delete comments against their opinions even if it’s just sourced facts without any opinions. It’s also very tiresome how so many people tend to comment “enshitification, capitalism bad, the person of the article is a fascist, they should unionize ” or some doomer or far left take on any topics. Even when talking about videogames
I disagree with this completely, from my time there, Ive met really cool people there, and you will always find assholes and nice people on these platfroms, doesn't matter if it's Kbin, Lemmy or Reddit (no stranger here), and Lemmy.world is like the biggest instance on he fedsiverse with the most users at the moment, with kbin.social probably the next biggest, it will be a huge loss for both the sides if we don't get this federation or whatever issue this is fixed.
But the "spam" is no longer the issue, as ever since then, mod requests system has been implemented, allowing many new moderators to takeover communities with inactive moderators, as a result allowing spam to exist within these communities.
This wasn't the issue. The issue was that moderation actions didn't federate from here. I think that this hasn't been fixed and will be once the new ActivityPub stuff is done, though @ernest can feel free to correct me on that.
EDIT: Actually, maybe it has been implemented? Looking at @RedditMigration from Lemmy instances, it seems like the spam isn't there. If that's the case, lemmy.world should definitely reopen full federation.
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