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FaceDeer, to kbinMeta in Last few days are the least functional kbin has been for me since the July exodus. Just me?
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What does any of this have to do with kbin? Kbin is not Lemmy. Completely different codebase.

FaceDeer, to kbinMeta in Someone made an account just to harrass me. how do i report it?
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I'm devastated.

FaceDeer, to kbinMeta in Someone made an account just to harrass me. how do i report it?
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And even now he feels the need to throw in some shots at Zima, as if that's what this thread has ever been about.

FaceDeer, (edited ) to kbinMeta in Someone made an account just to harrass me. how do i report it?
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Yeah, I commented once earlier today and then just now popped back in to see if anything significant had been added, and wow, FfaeriOxide just cannot let go of this. It's just so totally obvious who Zima's "stalker" is at this point it's hilarious.

FaceDeer, (edited ) to kbinMeta in Someone made an account just to harrass me. how do i report it?
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So seven minutes after Zima posted about a mystery stalker dogging his every comment, you jumped in on the thread with a complaint about something he posted two weeks ago, which when you subsequently linked to it was clearly not saying what you're accusing him of saying and makes you sound like some sort of vindictive crazy person?

What a coincidence!

Let's see if a Fuckyoufacedeer account appears now.

Edit: Oh, another amazing coincidence: nine minutes after Fuckyouzima downvoted Zima's two-week-old comment, you also downvoted his two-week-old comment. And then two minutes later you made your first comment in this thread. We can see who downvotes what and when, you know.

FaceDeer, to fediverse in A case for preemptively defederating with Threads
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Uh... huh. Okay, I'm going to count that as a Godwin and leave it at that.

FaceDeer, to fediverse in A case for preemptively defederating with Threads
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Nothing makes it special. My point is not that I think Facebook will do no wrong, my point is that it's counterproductive to defederate from them before they've done something wrong.

FaceDeer, to fediverse in A case for preemptively defederating with Threads
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I came to the Threadiverse because Reddit was closing its APIs and building the walls higher around its garden.

I will be supremely disappointed if the Threadiverse collectively turns around and does the same thing.

Instances should be defederated when they do something harmful. Preemptively defederating is counterproductive, it gives Meta no incentive to do things right.

FaceDeer, to kbinMeta in I'm starting to see some serious downsides to being able to see who downvotes you.
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Same, generally speaking when I'm writing a comment in order to disagree with someone I want that other person's comment to be more visible to other readers. That way they can read it, see my response, and realize how wrong the original comment was and how right I am. :) I save my downvotes for comments that are so wrong they're not worth a response.

I'll even sometimes downvote a comment, ponder for a moment, and then remove my downvote and write a response instead.

FaceDeer, to kbinMeta in I'm starting to see some serious downsides to being able to see who downvotes you.
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No problem. And I can imagine that there might be some out there who would indeed be gleeful about being called out for downvoting because they're just that deep into the "raging asshole" state that any negative attention is giving them the dopamine hit they crave. But I suspect that kind of troll is going to be blatant enough that he'll get blocked or banned by most places worth hanging out in anyway.

I probably shouldn't admit it, but one of my favourite ways of dealing with a raging asshole on Reddit was to be impeccably polite to them until they blew their stack badly enough while trying to provoke me that I could report them. :) I'd only do that if they were clearly already unredeemable, though.

FaceDeer, to kbinMeta in I'm starting to see some serious downsides to being able to see who downvotes you.
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I see that @AmidFuror was not a fan of this comment. :)

FaceDeer, to kbinMeta in I'm starting to see some serious downsides to being able to see who downvotes you.
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Could be, I have no clue what their name was. I feel the worst fate for such people is to be irrelevant so I try to forget about them. :)

Yeah, the ability to spot vote manipulation is a nice one. The current interface for kbin makes it laborious to click through so many comments and posts to check, but once the API is settled it should be possible to write some nice tools for that kind of thing.

FaceDeer, to kbinMeta in I'm starting to see some serious downsides to being able to see who downvotes you.
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I don't see how that ratio thing could be enforced on a protocol like ActivityPub, it would be an instance-by-instance thing and people from instances that weren't enforcing it would be able to downvote however they liked.

There are instances that blocked downvoting entirely (beehaw.org, for example) but when I saw threads from there here on kbin.social there was plenty of downvoting on them from non-beehaw users. Only on beehaw.org would the threads be seen downvote-free and would users be prevented from downvoting on them.

FaceDeer, to kbinMeta in I'm starting to see some serious downsides to being able to see who downvotes you.
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A "fun" experience from Reddit that I'm glad is impossible here on kbin is when I'm in an argument with someone and they would insta-downvote every response I made to them, then vociferously deny that they were doing it even when it was basically impossible for it to be otherwise (for example if we were in a days-old thread nobody else was paying attention to and the downvote was happening within a minute or two of me posting - too fast to even have read the comment).

On a related note, I'm pleased that blocking someone doesn't prevent them from responding to your comments here. The "get the 'last word' in and then block me so I couldn't answer" pattern was even more annoying, since karma was meaningless anyway but the block disrupted the flow of informative debate if other people were following it too. In such situations I'd edit the last comment I'd made to mention what had happened, at least. Hope that shamed a few folks at least a little bit.

FaceDeer, (edited ) to kbinMeta in I'm starting to see some serious downsides to being able to see who downvotes you.
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Assuming you're being sarcastic and mean the opposite, this hasn't been my experience, actually. Just like with @livus, above, I called out a downvote-stalker once who'd been following me around and when I described how I was seeing his downvote pattern he instantly vanished. In my experience the "downvote warriors" are a cowardly bunch, they love being able to throw punches without being seen to throw punches. Once you make it clear to them that everyone can see what they're doing they crumple under scrutiny.

The trolls you're talking about are the kind that love to get into an argument with you. That's quite different.

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