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railsdev, in A white man fatally shoots 3 Black people at a Florida store in a hate crime, then kills himself

Why do they capitalize “Black” so many times in the article? I thought maybe I’m crazy and there’s some grammatical rule about it but “white” is never capitalized.

CynAq,
@CynAq@kbin.social avatar

It’s a form of micro-marginalization. Some people do it without realizing, some do it intentionally. Just another way to “other” some demographic in a subtle way.

You can see it done with the words indigenous and native too.

DessertStorms,
@DessertStorms@kbin.social avatar
albinanigans,

I just want to know how the fuck did you come to this conclusion.

AmidFuror,

He's unintentionally micromarginalizing people of color looking for a shared identity and sense of community.

DessertStorms,
@DessertStorms@kbin.social avatar
railsdev,

This is so informative. In programming I’d know to search “style guide” but for some reason when it comes to real writing the search term didn’t come to mind. Thanks!

wrath-sedan,
@wrath-sedan@kbin.social avatar

Different orgs use different style guides as some have already said. In almost all Black is capitalized, whereas white is rarely capitalized but you still see it occasionally.

I’m torn on white/White personally. The reason given by most is that it falls in line with white supremacist rhetoric, and generally has been capitalized exclusively in that context. Totally valid argument to not use it for that reason.

On the other hand I think leaving it lowercase risks making it an assumed default state, or makes it so that white people think of “racial” issues as something that does not include them. Plus allowing white supremacists to decide what is or isn’t whiteness and how we talk about it I think is a bad idea…

More from the AP blog here on their use of Black/white.

railsdev,

Yeah, it seems like I stumbled upon a very complex issue. Now I suppose I don’t prefer any one writing style as they all seem to have pitfalls.

Hairyblue, in Former Trump adviser blames Jews for dying in Auschwitz
@Hairyblue@kbin.social avatar

"Michael Flynn, a Christian nationalist" AND convicted criminal, let's not forget that.

Spitzspot, in Former Trump adviser blames Jews for dying in Auschwitz

Way to win over independents./s

Yendor,

The American system doesn’t care about the centre. They use the media to trick the centre into thinking there’s no difference between the 2 options, then they just have to mobilise more crazies on their side than the other side. If even 10% of non-voters just got off their ass for an hour once every 4 years, they would control most governments in the US.

CMLVI,
@CMLVI@kbin.social avatar

The continued narrative of "both sides are the same" is astounding to me.

Absolutely, both sides how to corporate interests, trend towards war-hawking when needed. But one side is trying to expand abortion and trans Healthcare, keep gay marriage legal, keep public education accessible and sufficient(ish), change Healthcare from private profit-hungry companies, and keep voting rights for all.

They are very much not the same. One is the baseline for what should be expected at minimum, and the other is about 30 ft below that line, screaming about library books and arguing some parents don't have a say in their child's Healthcare...

Diplomjodler, in Former Trump adviser blames Jews for dying in Auschwitz

Anyone who pretends to be surprised is a liar.

lowdownfool, in Man who set fire to Planned Parenthood sentenced to 10 years in prison
@lowdownfool@kbin.social avatar

You mean "terrorist".

52fighters,
@52fighters@kbin.social avatar

That's what they called John Brown.

Pisodeuorrior,

...are you seriously comparing someone who fought against slavery to someone who burned a place where women receive health care?

Fucking hell, enough internet for today.

52fighters,
@52fighters@kbin.social avatar

Are you able to offer a contrast against two people who oppose the commodification of human life?

lowdownfool,
@lowdownfool@kbin.social avatar

We get to use violence against those who "commodify human life"? Cool, let's take out people forcing women to be baby-making machines.

52fighters,
@52fighters@kbin.social avatar

I agree. That's why our society should take a much, much harder stance against rapists. The folks commodifying human life are the people who have turned abortion into an industry. But beyond that, a person who willfully engages in acts that are capable of producing new human life but with the plan to murder that life (painfully, if necessary) for the sake of lifestyle or convenience, are objectively immoral. These are the vast majority of abortions. No medical necessity. No rape. Lifestyle decisions after consenting to sex and either not using contraceptives or having a contraceptive failure. And these folks are the bread and butter for the abortion industry. Almost none of these clinics would be financially viable without this market segment.

lowdownfool,
@lowdownfool@kbin.social avatar

And these folks are the bread and butter for the abortion industry

Lie. Back that up with something. There is no abortion industry. There is a right-wing propaganda industry, though. Sounds like you're a customer.

not using contraceptives or having a contraceptive failure

The contraceptives that religous extremists try to limit or ban. You think we don't see this shit?

52fighters,
@52fighters@kbin.social avatar

Just do an overlay of the number of planned parenthood clinics and the abortion rate over time. They mirror very closely. Why? Because they are the opening pipeline to the abortion industry. But we also know they have a secondary market for dead babies [link].

The rest of your commend is just throwing mud to detract from the issue. The issue is lifestyle abortions. Instead of dealing with the fact that these are the vast majority of abortions and there is no moral reasons these abortions should exist, you try to detract to arguments about contraceptives that are not going anywhere because nobody is taking away anyone's access to condoms, the pill, or other popular non-abortive contraceptives. Did you want to deal with the fact that most of these abortions are without a question immoral lifestyle abortions?

lowdownfool,
@lowdownfool@kbin.social avatar

The issue is lifestyle abortions

No, it really is not. This is a manufactured outrage by your media overlords. The issue is women's health and autonomy (aka freedom).

52fighters,
@52fighters@kbin.social avatar

What we have is a situation with multiple, competing rights. The right to the right to a certain choice related to autonomy on one side and the right to life on the other. In a civilized society, when two rights come into conflict, we have DUE PROCESS to decide the issue. There is no due process. Nobody represents the right of the murdered children. There is no judge, jury, or tribunal. There is no effort to balance the rights of one against the rights of the other. The rights of one entirely trump the life of another. That's immoral, most especially when involving cases of lifestyle abortions.

lowdownfool,
@lowdownfool@kbin.social avatar

Funny how it's the people who aren't impacted that have a say in a woman's choice.

52fighters,
@52fighters@kbin.social avatar

That's about as bright as saying "Don't like slavery? Don't own slaves." There's another life whose value has been commodified and who is not represented in an essential question about their life.

lowdownfool,
@lowdownfool@kbin.social avatar

No, it's "IF YOU HAVE A PENIS GET THE FUCK OUT OF TELLING WOMEN WHAT TO DO WITH THEIR BODIES". End of story, get it through your thick dumbass skull.

52fighters,
@52fighters@kbin.social avatar

Your logic is so profound that no man could stop a woman from burning down an abortion clinic. After all, if you stop her or arrest her, you are infringing on her freedom of movement and self-agency.

lowdownfool,
@lowdownfool@kbin.social avatar

Just stop. We know you just want women to shut up, make your dinner, and be baby makers.

52fighters,
@52fighters@kbin.social avatar

All I want is for them to not be murderers and the industry that exists to support murder to be demolished. If they want to work, raise a family, remain single, go wondering around the mountains, or something else...whatever works for them.

fearout, in Texas charges prisoners 50% more for water as heat wave continues
@fearout@kbin.social avatar

Texas charges prisoners for water? What the fuck, how is this even remotely legal?

stephfinitely,
@stephfinitely@kbin.social avatar

They charge of portable water, they have access to free tap water but apparently the tap water is so bad they are forced to buy water bottles. So effectively the prison know they can't charge just for water so they make sure the water from the taps isn't good enough to drink but passes whatever low bar Texas has in it regulations and then charges them for bottle water.

tekktrix,

Potable* (I know it’s probably just autocorrect, so sorry)

Madison_rogue, in At least 2 dead, 28 injured in mass shooting at Baltimore block party
@Madison_rogue@kbin.social avatar

To quell some confusion regarding gun deaths and gun deaths related to crime in the U.S. you have to dig a little more to understand the picture better.

Gun crime in the U.S. is not great, but it is not as bad as it is perceived. This said, I'm in firm agreement that something needs to be done about mass shootings. We have the collective will to do this, yet are constantly stymied by interpretation of the 2nd Amendment, and the NRA (which lobbies against gun related crime/deaths in the U.S. on a continuous basis).

So gun deaths in the U.S. are high...second highest in the world.

  1. Brazil — 49,436
  2. United States — 37,038
  3. Venezuela — 28,515
  4. Mexico — 22,116
  5. India — 14,710
  6. Colombia — 13,169
  7. Philippines — 9,267
  8. Guatemala — 5,980

However deaths related to gun violence offers a different picture...here are the top 10 countries with the highest number of gun-related homicides per 100,000 (2019 data).

  1. El Salvador — 36.78
  2. Venezuela — 33.27
  3. Guatemala — 29.06
  4. Colombia — 26.36
  5. Brazil — 21.93
  6. Bahamas — 21.52
  7. Honduras — 20.15
  8. U.S. Virgin Islands — 19.40
  9. Puerto Rico — 18.14
  10. Mexico — 16.41

Suicide

Bringing in suicide statistics via firearm clarifies this picture even further

Top 10 countries with the highest suicide rate by firearm per 100,000

Greenland — 16.36
United States — 7.12
Uruguay — 4.74
San Marino — 4.08
Montenegro — 3.40
Argentina — 2.67
Finland — 2.66
Monaco — 2.64
France — 2.64
Venezuela — 2.50

The total rate of firearm deaths in the U.S. is 10.89 per 100,000. This means, the total rate of firearm deaths due to violent crime is 3.77 per 100,000 people.

So while mass shootings in the U.S. are a problem, it's not as impactful as the suicide rate by firearm in the country.

Source

Ellecram, in At least 2 dead, 28 injured in mass shooting at Baltimore block party
@Ellecram@kbin.social avatar

As an American, you are statistically more likely to be struck by lightning than randomly shot.
I am 65 years old and have lived in multiple states. Never been shot at, never shot a gun (except in the US Navy), never experienced any gun violence in my personal life.
As a child welfare worker I have experienced a few cases of gun violence in my professional life of nearly 30 years.

The situation of gun violence is extremely serious but also highly dramatized by media leading to the possibility of miscalculating risk.

Be careful and situationally aware is all the advice I can provide.

de-integro-initium, in At least 2 dead, 28 injured in mass shooting at Baltimore block party

Going to the US or living there is scary. At least in some countries like in Mexico, an innocent my get hit accidentally by gangs wars. In the US the bullets seems to be directly for the innocent people.

Pandantic,
@Pandantic@kbin.social avatar

Literally. Walmart, a block party, a club, TOO MANY SCHOOLS TO COUNT, a concert, etc, etc. It never seems to end, and yet we do nothing.

chatterbox,

Meh, I grew up next to some favelas, and that level of violence is another level entirely, it's just not covered as intently. People get kidnapped, families of rival gangs are targeted, not to mention the extortion.
That being said, the US has no fucking excuse. Central and South American countries suffering from massive gangs and civil wars, they have a good reason for having so many gun deaths.

BrotherCod, in 'Rate limit exceeded;' Twitter down for thousands of users worldwide

I know it's getting into conspiracy realms, but there seems to be a large right-wing buyout of social media. Reddit and Twitter two of the best Independent News sources in North America I've already been hit and even though people will argue they are not true new sources, they allow smaller groups to be heard globally. Young people don't realize how limited news broadcast were before the 2000s. Almost all media was owned by about 50 people worldwide and good luck getting something published that wasn't in their agenda. You could see it throughout the 50s and 60s as people being labeled radical when their views didn't coincide with the media magnets. I try not to be an alarmist but I think we're heading for another dark ages.

Sinnerman, in It’s Time to End the Tyranny of Ultra-Processed Food

Washington Post had an article about this with a lot more facts, a couple days ago:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/wellness/2023/06/27/ultra-processed-foods-predigested-health-risks/
(temporarily free article on a mostly-paywalled site.)

DarkGamer,
@DarkGamer@kbin.social avatar

@sinnerman That article is much better, thanks for sharing it! I'd never thought of ultraprocessing as predigestion before.

For a time, Kevin Hall, a nutrition and metabolism scientist at the National Institutes of Health, was also skeptical that ultra-processed foods were harmful.

To test the idea, he designed a study that compared what happened when men and women were recruited to live in a lab and fed different diets. In one phase of the study, the participants ate mostly ultra-processed foods for two weeks. Their daily meals consisted of things like honey nut oat cereal, flavored yogurt, blueberry muffins, canned ravioli, steak strips, mashed potatoes from a packet, baked potato chips, goldfish crackers, diet lemonade and low-fat chocolate milk.

In a second phase of the study, the participants were fed a diet of mostly homemade, unprocessed foods for two weeks that was matched for nutrients like salt, sugar, fat, and fiber. Their meals consisted of foods such as Greek yogurt with walnuts and fruit, spinach salad with grilled chicken, apple slices, bulgur and fresh vinaigrette, and beef tender roast with rice pilaf, steamed vegetables, balsamic vinaigrette, pecans and orange slices.

In both cases, the participants were allowed to eat as much or as little of the foods and snacks as they wanted.

“If it was really about the nutrients — and not about the processing — then there shouldn’t be any major difference in calorie intake between these two diets,” said Hall. “I thought that was going to be the result of the study.”

But, he added, “I was hugely wrong.”

When people ate the ultra-processed diet, they consumed substantially more calories — about 500 more calories a day compared to when they ate the mostly unprocessed diet. The result: They gained weight and body fat.

The researchers also noticed a difference in how quickly the participants consumed their food. They ate the ultra-processed meals significantly faster, at a rate of about 50 calories per minute, compared to just 30 calories per minute on the unprocessed diet.

Fascinating.

cooljacob204,

To say that this makes processed foods bad for you however is kinda ridiculous imo. Might as well tell people to only eat raw things because it has the least calories / most filling.

Bad food is bad for you, eating junk food is known to be a giant waste of calories and how it's prepared doesn't make it better or worse.

Outside of increased calories I have not seen any evidence that food being more "processed" is actually bad for you.

I'm not sure when this movement against junk food became a movement against processed foods but it's moving in the wrong direction. Plenty of shitty junk foods can have very little processing involved. And I'm convinced it's exactly those "low processed" junk food providers that are pushing all this bullshit.

RickRussell_CA,
@RickRussell_CA@kbin.social avatar

With respect, I think you're ignoring the facts. How it's prepared absolutely makes a difference in how it tastes, how easy it is to eat, etc. and there is a resulting effect on how much people eat.

Freshly grilled chicken and frozen chicken patties are both chicken. But the chicken patty is ground, pre-seasoned, pre-cooked, etc. This makes it easier to get ready and easier to eat than a fresh chicken breast.

The poison is in the dose, as they say. 500 calorie surplus every day is a pound a week of weight gain.

And as dieticians have shown us over and over again, you can eat shitty food and be healthy, you just have to eat an appropriate amount of it. There are diets based on cookies and snack cakes, if you eat at your maintenance and cover a few basics with supplements, you can easily thrive on them.

Maeve,

I bought a bunch of expensive microwave meals on sale (6 or so that were originally $6 each, but bogo’d, so $3 each) for times I have to drop what I’m doing and be busy or gone for an extended period. Nice ones like beef and broccoli, mashed potatoes and Salisbury steak, umami bowls. Imagine my chagrin when they ranged from 350-600 calories each, and nutrients were so minimal, they didn’t list a percentage of rda, but added sugar, sodium content and carb count were of the chart and besides for fat content, were the only things memorably listed.

PabloDiscobar, in John Roberts Begs the Liberal Justices to Stop Criticizing the Court
@PabloDiscobar@kbin.social avatar

Is this really the content that we want for @news ?

We have an endless reserve of European politicians talking about other European politicians. At least try to keep this kind of content for @politics.

nameless_prole,

The beauty of this fediverse thing is, that... if you don't like it you can make your own instance and do the thing you want there instead. Bye.

PabloDiscobar,
@PabloDiscobar@kbin.social avatar

You know, if you want to be a pain in the ass we can also kick you out of this place.

PabloDiscobar,
@PabloDiscobar@kbin.social avatar

To the three of you who downvoted me without a word of explanation: we can see who downvotes who on kbin.

So I ask you, why did you downvote me and why do you think that this guy talking to his fellow politicians is news worthy? We are not on an american website anymore, the rest of the world doesn't care about the american constant struggle and crying about politicians saying stuff.

@WhiskeyZac

@nameless_prole

@RoughBeastSlouching

BurnTheRight,

Don't forget me too! 🤣

PabloDiscobar,
@PabloDiscobar@kbin.social avatar

ok then. Answer my question.

BurnTheRight,

You asked why you were downvoted. It's because of your arrogant attitude and trolling. But, I'll sometimes have some pity and feed the troll.

You asked why anyone outside the US should care what happens in the US. The answer is very simple. If the US experiences a collapse of some kind (which it might), it will have a profoundly negative effect on the value of currencies worldwide, including the EUR and GBP. So, no matter how much you hate it, the value of your currency is affected by the value of ours.

That's just one reason why you should care about the rise of conservatism and how it harms the U.S.

PabloDiscobar,
@PabloDiscobar@kbin.social avatar

You asked why you were downvoted. It's because of your arrogant attitude and trolling.

You are the troll here, so change your tone: "Don't forget me too! 🤣"

You asked why anyone outside the US should care what happens in the US.

No, you read it wrong. I specifically talked about the nature of the post which was political. We already have magazines for politics, specially the US one, but the nature of the problem is politics seen as news. The US politics is and endless shitshow which doesn't qualify as news anymore. Breaking news! Trump called AOC FAT!

The answer is very simple. If the US experiences a collapse of some kind (which it might), it will have a profoundly negative effect on the value of currencies worldwide, including the EUR and GBP. So, no matter how much you hate it, the value of your currency is affected by the value of ours.

That must be the most ridiculous argument I've read so far. Look at this news that I just picked from the news magazine:

The Supreme Court will decide if abusive spouses have a right to own guns (vox.com)
Girlparts

The world is shaking! Suspense! Good thing that I've been informed about this one.

That's just one reason why you should care about the rise of conservatism and how it harms the U.S.

Keep it for @USpolitics

pikakilla,

Woooo internet tough guy here. Be careful everyone -- hes gonna call you out! o7 keyboard warrior, o7.

PabloDiscobar,
@PabloDiscobar@kbin.social avatar

If you want to do the same thing you did on reddit then why did you leave reddit?

Izzgo,

You've been here a whole 19 days, at least on this account. People likely assume you came from reddit as well.

vanquesse,
@vanquesse@kbin.social avatar

The destruction of queer rights in the US will harm me regardless of me ever setting foot in the country.

PabloDiscobar,
@PabloDiscobar@kbin.social avatar

Don't be ridiculous.

brownpaperbag,
@brownpaperbag@kbin.social avatar

I don't think they're being ridiculous to say that US politics has an impact outside of the US. To quote a former Canadian Prime Minister:

"Living next to you is in some ways like sleeping with an elephant. No matter how friendly and even-tempered is the beast, if I can call it that, one is affected by every twitch and grunt."

Izzgo,

why do you think that this guy talking to his fellow politicians is news worthy?

I'm one one of the downvoters, so I'll try giving you an answer. As an American, it's newsworthy to me when the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court is publicly calling out the other justices for behavior he deems unbecoming a justice. I had not realized that @news was specifically for European news? And I think perhaps YOU had not realized that in America, the supreme court is theoretically above politics. A justice is not a politician. Again, in theory. Lately our supreme court has been behaving very much like bought-and-paid-for politicians, and that should be concerning to all Americans.

PabloDiscobar,
@PabloDiscobar@kbin.social avatar

I had not realized that @news was specifically for European news?

There is a whole world out there. Right now @new is around 50% US. How is it a good thing? Look at this from a non US perspective. You open your news feed and nearly half of it is about US politicians doing the political dance.

If you have political news to post, please post them at least in a political magazine, not in news.

Lately our supreme court has been behaving very much like bought-and-paid-for politicians, and that should be concerning to all Americans.

This is not news, everyone around the planet know that your politicians are sold to the richest people. Again, keep it into political magazines, or we will be flooded.

Do you really want US politics to flood each sub like what happened on reddit?

Drusas,

TIL the US isn't part of the world.

fishos,

I'm downvoting you because you're being incredibly immature right now. People can disagree with you
Saying "how dare you downvote me, I can SEE IT!" and calling them out makes you look like a giant child. You need to take some time to consider your own response and whether or not that's something WE want on the fediverse. You can just as easily be blocked too, you know.

PabloDiscobar,
@PabloDiscobar@kbin.social avatar

Downvoting and running away was a reddit thing, now you are accountable for your downvotes.

I have the maturity to ask for answer when people react to what I say. My question about sorting posts out of @news and moving them to @USpolitics is perfectly legitimate. I'm glad that some people took the time to answer so we can have a discussion, but so far among the handful of people who had the courage to put up a written argument I've read nothing convincing me that this post has its place in @news rather than in politics.

If all you want is a copy of reddit then please go back to reddit.You will have a barrage of US political news all day long.

You need to take some time to consider your own response and whether or not that's something WE want on the fediverse. You can just as easily be blocked too, you know.

Block me, be my guest, at least you won't be able to downvote me on sight anymore.

BurnTheRight,

Many of us won't block you. We will just see you and feel sad for you.

fishos,

Doing things like calling out someone's post history or making a whiney edit about the people downvoting you are also reddit things. And that's the kind of behaviour you're exhibiting right here. You're being close minded and demanding that other people cater to your needs. Just like Americans shouldn't only concern themselves with their news, you too shouldn't only close yourself off and only care about your news. And if you don't like it, unsubscribe yourself.

Go touch some grass dude.

PabloDiscobar,
@PabloDiscobar@kbin.social avatar

Doing things like calling out someone's post history or making a whiney edit about the people downvoting you are also reddit things. And that's the kind of behaviour you're exhibiting right here. You're being close minded and demanding that other people cater to your needs.

I'm not whining, I'm calling people out on their bullshit votes. @news is turning into political trash and you don't seem to care.

Just like Americans shouldn't only concern themselves with their news, you too shouldn't only close yourself off and only care about your news. And if you don't like it, unsubscribe yourself.

I'm not closed, I already posted about foreign countries. And if you are not happy with people calling you out on your bullshit then go back to reddit where you can downvote incognito.

You can turn this place to shit if you want to but I won't remain quiet about it, dude...

disposabletentacle,

I'm calling people out on their bullshit votes.

Okay, I've been staying out of this but now I just have to: what kind of extraordinary qualifications do you have to unilaterally decide which votes are valid and which are not? Is it as simple as any vote that disagrees with you is automatically "bullshit"?

Have you considered that people are just downvoting you and moving on because they feel that the flaws in your arguments are apparent enough that they can just click the down arrow without having to type a whole essay about it?

And really, why should anyone have to type out a whole response to justify clicking downvote? What makes your opinions so astronomically important that they deserve everyone's full intellectual energy or none at all?

PabloDiscobar,
@PabloDiscobar@kbin.social avatar

Okay, I've been staying out of this but now I just have to:

What an entry!

what kind of extraordinary qualifications do you have to unilaterally decide which votes are valid and which are not? Is it as simple as any vote that disagrees with you is automatically "bullshit"?

I'm talking about very factual points: the usage of the tool that we are building now. Many of us have migrated because of the flaws of other media platforms.

Your position about "downvote" is like expression a feeling. For other people like me it's very factual. That's part of what I wanted to establish. It emotions vs facts all over again. The reaction I had were mostly based on feeling. Just like the content I'm seeing spammed here. Ragebait.

Have you considered that people are just downvoting you and moving on because they feel that the flaws in your arguments are apparent enough that they can just click the down arrow without having to type a whole essay about it?

And I gave them an opportunity to answer with arguments. That was the point. If they have such a big reason to downvote then let's go and say why. And the result is poof.... there was not much except feelings. This magazine is turning into a collection of ragebait. And now one of the default magazine of the alternative to reddit has fallen into the same trap that reddit laid to us: ragebait content. I wouldn't care if is was posted into USPolitics or politicus, but news, what, the whole planet???

I expected much better from the first wave of people who left reddit. In the end they just want more of the same ragebait.

And I know exactly what you are all going to say. "then go away if you don't like it". Yes, I don't like it, that's why I left reddit. I couldn't care less about your political shitshow non-stop circus which leaked thorough all the subs. You think people care about your senators killing a dog with their car? The people posting other news are now thrown down the frontpage so we can make more space for the latest Trumpstunt. And now you are getting out of the wood because you had too much! What a superhero you are.

n0m4n,

SCOTUS is not held to any ethical standards and have appointments that last for life. The conservative court has gone off the rails on their latest rulings, arguably making discrimination legal, even on protected groups. This upends decades of protections for vulnerable groups that were targeted by fascist groups.
While Roberts is whining about criticism on what his court has done, the main topic of criticism is newsworthy in that it has real consequences.
The same groups that lean toward authoritarianism, also lean toward Putin being allowed to take Ukraine. This fight spills over to the rest of the world.

PabloDiscobar,
@PabloDiscobar@kbin.social avatar

We do not care!

This is not news material. Keep it for USPolitics, or Politicus, or nonpartisan, or whatever political magazine is fit for. This is not newsworthy.

brownpaperbag,
@brownpaperbag@kbin.social avatar

I'm thinking you should probably stop speaking on behalf of everyone. I am not American but I do care that millions of Americans are losing their rights. I care that US businesses got over a trillion in PPP loan forgiveness but that the same can't be extended to 40 million individuals and their student loans for education they are almost forced to have if they want a shot at making more than minimum wage and even then, it's not a guarantee.

I'm not a refugee but I care that the Greek government effectively let hundreds die rather than assist them.

I'm not French but I am interested in the riots happening there.

I'm not Russian, Ukrainian, or even European but I want to know what is happening with the occupation of Ukraine, the coup attempt, and what other countries are doing to ensure the Russia doesn't violate NATO and the repercussions if they do.

Why do you believe you get to narrow the scope of what is news on behalf of everyone else?

PabloDiscobar,
@PabloDiscobar@kbin.social avatar

I'm thinking you should probably stop speaking on behalf of everyone. I am not American but I do care that millions of Americans are losing their rights. I care that US businesses got over a trillion in PPP loan forgiveness but that the same can't be extended to 40 million individuals and their student loans for education they are almost forced to have if they want a shot at making more than minimum wage and even then, it's not a guarantee.

Stop importing US problems in your own country. Nothing meaningful happens in your country? You still have to indulge into america politics even with the @news magazine? What is so hard with posting US political news in one of the US political magazines? Tell me!

Have a look at the frontpage of @news, we are at around 50% of american news and most of it is political.

I'm not a refugee but I care that the Greek government effectively let hundreds die rather than assist them.

I'm not French but I am interested in the riots happening there.

I'm not Russian, Ukrainian, or even European but I want to know what is happening with the occupation of Ukraine, the coup attempt, and what other countries are doing to ensure the Russia doesn't violate NATO and the repercussions if they do.

We can fill the frontpage of news with french political news, should we? Of course not.

At least post it in @politics. So far absolutely no one could argue why political news weren't posted to @political instead.

brownpaperbag,
@brownpaperbag@kbin.social avatar

Again, why do you believe you get to narrow the scope of what news is to everyone else? You are welcome to create your own magazines that talk about exactly what you want and block the ones that aren't what you want to engage with.

PabloDiscobar,
@PabloDiscobar@kbin.social avatar

And this magazine is @news.

Why don't YOU take your content and publish it into the magazine that was designed for it in the first place?

I will tell you: popularity! You don't want to read USpolitics because it's not popular, you want the buzz

Also, if you were a little bit coherent with what you said, you would agree with me. You said:

I'm not a refugee but I care that the Greek government effectively let hundreds die rather than assist them.

I'm not French but I am interested in the riots happening there.

I'm not Russian, Ukrainian, or even European but I want to know what is happening with the occupation of Ukraine, the coup attempt, and what other countries are doing to ensure the Russia doesn't violate NATO and the repercussions if they do.

So you pretend to care about what happens outside of the USA, but look at the results on news:

Zelensky, 5 upvotes

Uruguay, 3 upvotes

Sweden, 3 upvotes

Cambodia, 2 upvotes.

Israel 7

China 8

Australia 5

Germany 8

Scotland 7

uk 9

Colombia 5

meanwhile, prostitution in Maine 80

supreme court total around 500

See? This is american redditors pushing their political content in the news feed and pushing the content you wanted to see down the frontpage. What do you think of this?

Drusas,

If you haven't noticed yet, your opinion is the one in the minority here.

PabloDiscobar,
@PabloDiscobar@kbin.social avatar

Still, my opinion is the only one justified. Read the comments, see by yourself. I gave a chance to anyone who downvoted me to voice his opinion and all I saw was miss and miss.

IHeartBadCode,
@IHeartBadCode@kbin.social avatar

Is this really the content that we want for @news ?

There is an up/down vote button for you to express that POV on the post itself. I get what you're attempting to do, but as someone mentioned, this isn't Reddit you have open the ability to create your own @news. Hell, I encourage you to. A nonhomogeneous mix is actually healthier in the long run. And, at least for my part, now you have the answer to why someone down voted you.

Also, no one likes the explicitly @-ing folks who down voted you. Yes, you can see who down votes you but I feel, you should perhaps use the saying of "with great power comes great responsibility." Maybe ask "openly" why you're being down voted. @-ing the folks, and remember this is solely my subjective opinion, that's not cool.

Also, no one owes you an explanation of jack crap. And that applies "in general." Yes, it's better when someone explains their position to you and what not. But no one OWES you an explanation. I think that's what rubs me with the @-ing folks wrong here. None of those people HAVE TO explain themselves, it'd be great if they did, but you are not owed it and that is a very important distinction.

PabloDiscobar,
@PabloDiscobar@kbin.social avatar

There is an up/down vote button for you to express that POV on the post itself.

NO.

There is a reason why we have different magazines with different names. Got to @USpolitics or @politicus. How many more political subs do you need? When we register for @news it's not to get yet another american political shenanigans. You really think that someone from Italy registered to @news to hear about what your governor or potus or whatever wizard said to his king? Use your magazines! What is wrong with you? We are not your audience.

Let's invite some people from lemmy.ml and see if you agree to follow their votes. They have news too, do you want to hear from them? Of course not! So change your tone.

Also, no one owes you an explanation of jack crap. And that applies "in general."

I don't care, I will keep callout you out on your bullshit. block me if you want. After all, you said yourself that there is an upvote/downvote button, well there is also a block button, please use it, but I will keep calling you out anyway. Post your political soap opera to your political magazine, end of the story.

Izzgo,

@news describes itself as

Breaking news and current events worldwide.

America is in the world. As is Africa, Asia, South America, etc. Perhaps you should talk to the mods of @news and see if they won't change their rules for submissions. Maybe you want it limited to big, important, European, and most critically non-American news? The front page of that magazine currently has the earthshaking news that Italy is offering the Colosseum for Elon and Mark to duke it out in. And that Cambodian Prime Minister Hun Sen is fighting with Meta. And that a well known Oscar winner has died. Would none of those articles have been submitted before the Reddit migration?

ErraticDragon,
@ErraticDragon@kbin.social avatar

Is this really the content that we want for @news ?

Yes, overwhelmingly so, it seems:

imgur

PabloDiscobar,
@PabloDiscobar@kbin.social avatar

And the news about Ukraine, France, Sweden, Uruguay, Cambodia, Australia are in the single digits. So kbin is turning into reddit. In less than 3 weeks we are back at square one. And this is without the influx of the people who will be pushed away from reddit on July.

It was cool while it lasted.

BurnTheRight,

Hmmm. I wonder why there are more posts about US news than Cambodian news. Why is that? Do you think it could be a conspiracy by thousands of users to flood the Fediverse with US news pieces to try to drown out all of the Cambodian news everyone would prefer to hear?

Or maybe the content you see is whatever is on people's minds, so they post it. Maybe you can post some Cambodian news instead of complaining about the lack of it. I'm interested in Cambodian news too, so please feel free to post all that sweet, sweet Cambodian news you are so upset about not seeing.

Drusas,

I wonder also if it might be because we are all reading news and conversing in English right now. Not very many of us can read Khmer.

PabloDiscobar,
@PabloDiscobar@kbin.social avatar

you can use https://ground.news to find foreign news in english so you can share them easily. Sorted by quality and political orientation.

https://ground.news/article/3e3c078d-de55-4f8b-9731-8e6ed80cc1fd

Cambodia ruling party victory a sure bet as campaigning begins for general election

which gives another point of view leaning right, from Australia.

https://thewest.com.au/politics/election/cambodian-pm-launches-virtually-unopposed-election-tilt-c-11149620?utm_source=ground.news&utm_medium=referral

Cambodian Prime Minister Hun Sen has launched his ruling party's campaign for re-election in a poll that has been criticised as a sham after the main opposition party was prevented from running.

But of course if you all want to share what brand of cereals Donald Trump had for breakfast then please be my guest and post it as NEWS. But the best place to do it is reddit.

n0m4n,

I looked up https://ground.news on your suggestion and immediately signed up. This is the site that I have wanted to find for years. Thanks

RoundSparrow,

You said this back on July 2, how is it months later?

Neferic, in John Roberts Begs the Liberal Justices to Stop Criticizing the Court

I am sympathetic to Kagan's argument on standing and similarly I understand why Roberts is trying to lower the pressure. In any case this seems to come back to Congress no longer passing legislation and instead relying on executive powers for all political requirements. Not really seeing a solution until primary rules change. Centrists are left unserved presently.

CynAq,
@CynAq@kbin.social avatar

Centrists can go suck a fat one. The primary reason we're in this fascistic mess globally is the centrists' aversion to being inconvenienced for the rights of their fellow people and for the future of the planet.

That's what creates dictatorships, that's what starts world wars, in summary, that's what enables fascists.

Neferic,

Can you give me an example? Some purple states have protected reproductive health in response to the court overturning Roe. My perception is that the primary races are selecting increasingly polarizing candidates who's goal is just notoriety/fundraising over governing. MTG is a prime demonstration of this effect.

CynAq,
@CynAq@kbin.social avatar

I said global. This is a human phenomenon, not specific to US politics.

Think of it like a "greed is the root of all evil" kinda statement.

Neferic,

Thank you for your reply. What I am trying to articulate is that I see the trend toward extreme candidates cascading through many government systems. The origin being at the legislature in America's circumstance. The legislature holds nominations of judges in it's hands now which is why we are seeing the buck stop at the court. Congress gets to bemoan the fact that the court is responsible because they aren't offering any practicable solutions. Please note, I am not saying the court is without fault. There are certainly ethics rules issues at play and the court composition as it is now is due to the faults of congress in how the nomination process works.

My thought is that if primaries worked differently legislative candidates would run more moderate campaigns and we would see less brinkmanship at the court. Roberts I think is correctly concerned about the perception of the court and is genuinely worried about the last branch of US government losing the respect of the populace. With the decision on Roe v Wade, I think he should be.

xuxebiko, in John Roberts Begs the Liberal Justices to Stop Criticizing the Court

People should be silent while we destroy their future - Roberts, 2023

lunar_parking, in John Roberts Begs the Liberal Justices to Stop Criticizing the Court
@lunar_parking@kbin.social avatar

The supreme court even as a concept is one of the most asinine yet accepted institutions in the world. On par with the Catholic church, but so much worse because it actually has enormous and direct power over 330+ million people. I am dreaming and pining for the day that someone in power, most likely a president, just legitimately tells them to fuck off. They have no enforcement power and they fucking know it. I'm yearning for someone to have the courage, but it's as clear as it possibly can be that it certainly won't be a Democrat.

zalack,
@zalack@kbin.social avatar

The thing is that the court only has so much power right now because Congress is so fucking broken. If Congress where in working order it could just legislate all the shit that the court is blocking the executive on.

Neferic,

Is there any sense when Congress went off the rails? Some folks I have listened to say it was around the 90s but there were obviously very contentious times before then.

Can_you_change_your_username,

The Congress has never consistently functioned well, I'm not entirely convinced it's designed to. For the current mess, both in Congress and American politics in general, probably the most influential source is Newt Gingrich's electioneering policy of attacking wedges and saying anything you have to to get headlines without regards to the truthfulness of your statements. That's what reshaped the Republican party to be particularly welcoming to extremists, popularized science denial, and led to the modern wave of Christian Nationalism.

https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2020/07/07/newt-gingrich-republican-party

Neferic,

Can you elaborate on the comparison to the church? You don't like a panel having authority so you want to consolidate it to a president unilaterally ignoring the third branch? Would term limits on judges change how you see the court?

lunar_parking,
@lunar_parking@kbin.social avatar

The Catholic church is an unjustifiable and ridiculous institution in the same way the supreme court is. The Catholic church also had a lot of control over the lives of many people for a very long time, although that influence has obviously waned in recent centuries and decades (although it's clearly still not completely gone). Now, as far as the president having control, I will also say fuck the presidency, but it would always be my hope that a person in that position would do anything in their power as a president and a person to stand up to unjustifiable institutions like the supreme court. Obviously a president couldn't abolish the supreme court single-handedly, nor do I think that would necessarily, inherently be a good thing, but I do think that a president could and should call out the obvious reasons for which the institution needs to be abolished, because it absolutely does. The fact that nine human beings can directly control the lives of millions and millions and millions of people is an absolute travesty. I don't even feel dissimilarly about congress, but obviously it's a bit better because they are actually elected. In general, though, I am a very strong proponent of direct democracy. Term limits are a starting point, but it would be akin to applying a bandaid to a gaping, oozing wound.

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