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n3m37h, in NASA's Voyager 1 Spacecraft Is Speaking Gibberish

Can NASA start making motherboards for PCs? Average lifetime for one now is under 10 years

lurch,

They usually become outdated before they break, ie. an important component like the CPU can’t be upgraded any more, because it won’t fit, so you need to upgrade the whole thing.

n3m37h,

Yes I know Intel works on a Tic Tock system so every 2 generations they change the pinouts. AM4 lasted 4 generations, hopefully AM5 will too but unlikely. Still a CPU will last well over 10 years. Motherboards on the other hand, dont even though they should last a lot longer esp considering all the tantilum / other SMD capacitors.

Voyager also only uses mW of power compared to the 25-300w of current CPUs

Alson I was joking about NASA doing anything other than space stuff

hips_and_nips, (edited )

Just FYI, the tick-tock model followed by Intel doesn’t directly have anything to do with sockets and pin outs.

The tick-tock model meant that after each change of the microarchitecture was followed by a die shrink. While a new socket is likely a consequence of these changes, it is a necessary byproduct rather than an intentional change.

Furthermore, Intel hasn’t used the tick-tock model since 2016.

However, trying to compare terrestrial consumer hardware with rugged radiation hardened hardware is futile. They have drastically different design/engineering specs that have hard limits with respect to physics, even special process nodes for true radiation hardening (RHBP). I think they’re only 150nm, I want to say there were some RHBP 65nm FPGAs recently, but I’m not 100%.

I have a feeling though if NASA were to make components, they’d all just be specialized embedded systems rather than anything consumer or enterprise. After all, computers are but tools to do different jobs.

n3m37h,

Can ya not take a joke? I even stated as much lmao

hips_and_nips,

Hahaha, yeahhhhhh, sorry mate. I get going about space electronics and there goes the rest of the day!

n3m37h,

All good, I get a kick on showing my knowledge too haha or lack of in most cases.

I still want a mobo that can outlast my fkn CPU! HELP NASA! ;)

PS thanks for correcting me about the end of Intel’s tic tock model with their inability to shrink a node for 5 or so years

Cort, (edited )

While am4 lasted 4 generations, you can’t put 4th Gen chips in a 1st Gen board or vice versa. There are even some 1st Gen boards that can’t do 3rd Gen chips and vice versa.

I was fairly disappointed when I found out AMD blocked Asus from updating 1st & 2nd Gen motherboards to be able to use pcie 4.0 with an agesa update on the BIOS. Blocked is probably the wrong word here though as Asus had already released the boss updates that unlocked pcie 4 on 1st Gen boards with 3rd Gen CPUs. /Rant

Edited: verb tenses

n3m37h,

Sadly there is actually a good reason for gen 3 boards not being able to support gen 4 even though its a firmware lock. Signal integrity.

Cort,

No, like Asus tested and certified half of their existing motherboards and released it and it worked fine for a couple weeks before AMD removed that ability. I get why some people may not want to risk signal integrity, but that should be my choice, not AMD’s.

n3m37h,

Never heard about that. Pretty shady shit.

GummySquirrel, (edited ) in Threads is officially starting to test ActivityPub integration
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Was there any more clarification on whether this instance would “defederate” from Meta? I remember reading about it ~5 months ago and posting a general query. IIRC the response was “we’ll cross that bridge if/when we get to it”.

I only have very basic knowldge of how the fediverse works, but does this mean Meta (Threads) is connected on lemmy ?

ValueSubtracted,
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Right now, we don’t see any real reason to do so. If someone can identify a clear, genuine threat from Meta besides “we don’t like them” (and, to be clear, we don’t), we’re open to hearing it. But as it stands, I haven’t seen anything concrete that would be cause for concern.

If the worst-case scenario is…more people can interact with us, then I don’t see what the problem is.

Jaccident,

It’s a fair point, “meta bad” is poor discourse. The most prevalent concern I’ve seen is that allowing federation to Meta is setting the stage for another Gtalk-XMPP style conflict.

In effect, when a party has such a disproportionate user base, they can use that to dictate terms on the evolution of the protocols that underpin a platform.

Here’s a write up by someone who worked on XMPP and Gtalk who puts it much better than I could. Article

Olgratin_Magmatoe,

“Embrace extend and extinguish” has happened before, and it can happen again if corp run instances are allowed to gain traction.

ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-ne…

I think it is a completely valid worry that corporations will come in, capture an audience, and then force the original lemmy instances into ruin. There is also the fact that corporations will want to make money off of it, and financial motivations are antithetical to the fediverse ecosystem.

ValueSubtracted,
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As an admin here, I’m not too worried about being “forced into ruin” - at worst, we would get bigger, and then get smaller again if Meta pulls the plug on ActivityPub.

But I can also assure you that we’ll be watching closely.

Jaccident,

I think the issue most are concerned with sits under the layer Admins are at. It’s not necessarily about the community administration, it’s about the software that makes up Lemmy. Threads will almost instantly make up 99% of users, so what incentive have they to play nice. The XMPP debacle wasn’t about integrating poorly, it was about specifically building a community in which was dependent on Gtalk users then mutating the protocol, eventually breaking with it. XMPP of course survived, but it died soon after, because when all the users no longer have access to their communities, why will they stay? Lemmy admins are worried that threads will become so integral to the fediverse that it’s removal will mean that users (who let’s be honest, don’t want to check more things than they need to) will go with threads.

ValueSubtracted,
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Lemmy admins are worried that threads will become so integral to the fediverse that it’s removal will mean that users (who let’s be honest, don’t want to check more things than they need to) will go with threads.

My instinct is to shrug if off and say, “so what?” Most people looking for this sort of experience already go to Reddit. This space exists for people who’d rather not. If a bunch of users decide to go to Threads, and then Meta takes away interoperability…we’ll still be here, doing what we do.

bradboimler,
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Honestly looking forward to can interact with friends I currently can not.

Jaccident, in Introducing c/GreatestGen!

Thank you for the shout out. Fellow Friends of DeSoto, frequenters of the Hood, embarrassed double-dumbasses, please pop over.

negativenull, in Introducing c/GreatestGen!
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Somehow I’ve never considered a Trek podcast (and I listen to a lot of podcasts). I’ll have to check these out!

Jaccident,

I was the same. I started listing to podcasts in about 2007, it wasn’t until 2018 I started listening to a Star Trek pod. Ben and Adam are my personal recommendation because they A. Are funny B. Go episode by episode, giving the show a really followable structure C. Used to be film production professionals and pick up on techniques that even I, a fellow film production professional, don’t notice.

They love trek, but will happily rip the arse out of it when deserved.

Reverendender, in Flipboard Begins to Federate

Wow I haven’t heard of Flipboard in like 10 years. Is it any good right now?

ValueSubtracted,
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I’m honestly not too sure, but I would think joining the fediverse can only help.

ValueSubtracted, in Flipboard Begins to Federate
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The Verge has a story on this, too:

“Basically, we’re in the process of replacing our whole social back-end with ActivityPub,” says Flipboard CEO Mike McCue. “I think Flipboard is going to be the first mainstream consumer service that existed in a walled garden that switches over to ActivityPub.”

sbv, in 2023 in social media: the case for the fediverse

It’ll be interesting to see how the Fediverse moves forward without direct monetization.

We’ve seen Usenet become more of a niche platform because it’s hard to monetize. Meanwhile, the popular social platforms (Facebook, Twitter, Instagram) are dripping in ads, which make it easier for them to build and maintain developer teams.

I want the Fediverse to succeed, but I have a hard time seeing how it can compete for average users without paid developer hours.

ValueSubtracted,
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Money is possibly the biggest concern when it comes to running an instance - it can be difficult to sustain donations over time.

I know the Lemmy devs have, or at least did have, some grants that were helping keep them afloat, but they still rely on donations from users.

Corgana,
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The development of New Exciting Features™ will probably be slower on nonprofit systems, but the enormous costs of moderation will be effectively zero, while simultaneously improving in quality. My prediction for what we’ll eventually see is “fun” ad-supported commercial platforms (assuming they can afford moderation), and a somewhat more “serious” discussion-based Fediverse.

superb, in Merger Meeting?: WBD’s David Zaslav and Paramount Global’s Bob Bakish Sit Down To Talk Possible Deal, “Preliminary” Says Source
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I can’t wait for both companies to get worse!

negativenull, in Merger Meeting?: WBD’s David Zaslav and Paramount Global’s Bob Bakish Sit Down To Talk Possible Deal, “Preliminary” Says Source
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This is not a good thing.

Another article: reuters.com/…/warner-bros-discovery-paramount-glo…

CCMan1701A,

Better get all the Star Trek shows on physical media before they disappear from existence lol

negativenull,
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🏴‍☠️

reddig33,

Star Trek gonna get Zaslav’d.

xusontha, in Merger Meeting?: WBD’s David Zaslav and Paramount Global’s Bob Bakish Sit Down To Talk Possible Deal, “Preliminary” Says Source

There is no possible way this gets past antitrust… right? right‽

ValueSubtracted,
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I mean, Disney was able to acquire 20th Century Fox without too much trouble…

negativenull,
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The current head of the FTC is bringing the first anti-trust case in many years. She’s launched cases against Google, and Amazon so far, and is investigating Facebook. That gives me some hope.

ValueSubtracted,
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The Hollywood Reporter seems to think that hope is misplaced:

Such a deal would likely attract less regulatory scrutiny than other potential mergers, with WBD lacking any domestic broadcast network, and with mostly synergistic businesses. The biggest source of friction would likely be combining the two legacy film and TV studios.

negativenull,
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Damn, that sucks

ValueSubtracted, in ‘Warnamount’ Merger Talk Confounds Investors And Industry: “Why Would Any Company Try To Catch A Falling Knife?”
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While the business has reckoned with more seismic deals in recent years, among them Disney-Fox and AT&T-Time Warner, this time the reality seems to be dawning that bigger is not always better. Streaming platforms swim in red ink and legacy media assets (mainly linear TV) are eroding. Yes, Zaslav has hinted at opportunities to be had, but WBD was not really considered a buyer given its oft-stated focus on reducing its enormous debt. It’s not clear how trying to swallow a company with hefty debt of its own solves any problems.

LeylaLove,

Before I say anything, I am against the merger. However as far as streaming goes, having a monopoly on content makes a streaming platform inherently better. WBD isn’t betting on being the most successful streaming platform, it’s betting on every other streaming platform that can’t compete with Zaslav buying everything.

buckykat,

The best tv and movie streaming platform in history, Netflix circa mid-2010s, had no monopoly on content whatsoever. All these studios trying to monopolize their content onto their own streaming services has only made streaming worse.

ValueSubtracted,
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One could argue that Netflix fired the first shot when they opened their own studio. I think everyone shares the blame for the current hellscape.

buckykat,

Absolutely. I wasn’t saying Netflix was at any point morally right, and the rise of the Netflix original was definitely part of the beginning of the end of paid legal streaming being a good experience for the viewer.

LeylaLove,

the only streamers were Netflix and Hulu? When anything you wanted to stream was on one or the other? Otherwise known as a duopoly. It’s like how the PC gaming marketplace was objectively at it’s best when Steam had a monopoly on selling games. Having everything in one place is better.

Streaming will get better, everything else will get worse as the monopolies get to full power again.

buckykat,

Netflix had a near monopoly on the streaming but not on the actual shows and movies. All the studios still owned their shows and movies and could unilaterally pull them off Netflix and make their own services, evidenced by the fact that that’s exactly what they did. Importantly, the monopoly was not vertically integrated. Similarly, Valve makes very few of the games available on Steam.

Streaming will not get better as the studios fully monopolize it. Not without at the very least and most liberal an enforced ban on vertical integration in visual media and on exclusive licensing agreements. That won’t happen under capitalism though, so the only real improvement will be in the resurgence of piracy.

DigitalTraveler42, in ‘Warnamount’ Merger Talk Confounds Investors And Industry: “Why Would Any Company Try To Catch A Falling Knife?”

It’s because this isn’t a business move, it’s a political move, David Zaslav and John Malone are just trying to make their own Fox News conservative media empire.

markr, in ‘Warnamount’ Merger Talk Confounds Investors And Industry: “Why Would Any Company Try To Catch A Falling Knife?”

So we are heading toward three streaming channels, basically cbs, nbc, abc, but instead of OTA and free with ads, it will be 20/month each with ads. All the utter crap on cable nobody wanted to watch, (100 channels with nothing on) will instead be ready to stream on demand. Well done shitty end stage capitalism, well done.

j4k3, in Tech Billionaires Need to Stop Trying to Make the Science Fiction They Grew Up on Real
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Read Asimov’s Robots series. !Stop at Asimov’s Robots series! I want Daneel damn it! We could use a Demerzel but not the rest of Foundation or the Galactic authoritarian nonsense.

Bonehead, in Tech Billionaires Need to Stop Trying to Make the Science Fiction They Grew Up on Real

All I want is for one of these super rich fucks to start obsessing about preserving Earth and building massive carbon capture plants that also generate clean drinking water from the air. Dump billions into pulse fusion reactors and build them into every carbon capture plant. Create a stable biodome...right here, on Earth. And use the entire planet for the experiment. Can someone please get on that?

reagansrottencorpse,

You don’t get super rich by thinking of others.

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