PabloDiscobar,
@PabloDiscobar@kbin.social avatar

Is this really the content that we want for @news ?

We have an endless reserve of European politicians talking about other European politicians. At least try to keep this kind of content for @politics.

nameless_prole,

The beauty of this fediverse thing is, that... if you don't like it you can make your own instance and do the thing you want there instead. Bye.

PabloDiscobar,
@PabloDiscobar@kbin.social avatar

You know, if you want to be a pain in the ass we can also kick you out of this place.

PabloDiscobar,
@PabloDiscobar@kbin.social avatar

To the three of you who downvoted me without a word of explanation: we can see who downvotes who on kbin.

So I ask you, why did you downvote me and why do you think that this guy talking to his fellow politicians is news worthy? We are not on an american website anymore, the rest of the world doesn't care about the american constant struggle and crying about politicians saying stuff.

@WhiskeyZac

@nameless_prole

@RoughBeastSlouching

BurnTheRight,

Don't forget me too! 🤣

PabloDiscobar,
@PabloDiscobar@kbin.social avatar

ok then. Answer my question.

BurnTheRight,

You asked why you were downvoted. It's because of your arrogant attitude and trolling. But, I'll sometimes have some pity and feed the troll.

You asked why anyone outside the US should care what happens in the US. The answer is very simple. If the US experiences a collapse of some kind (which it might), it will have a profoundly negative effect on the value of currencies worldwide, including the EUR and GBP. So, no matter how much you hate it, the value of your currency is affected by the value of ours.

That's just one reason why you should care about the rise of conservatism and how it harms the U.S.

PabloDiscobar,
@PabloDiscobar@kbin.social avatar

You asked why you were downvoted. It's because of your arrogant attitude and trolling.

You are the troll here, so change your tone: "Don't forget me too! 🤣"

You asked why anyone outside the US should care what happens in the US.

No, you read it wrong. I specifically talked about the nature of the post which was political. We already have magazines for politics, specially the US one, but the nature of the problem is politics seen as news. The US politics is and endless shitshow which doesn't qualify as news anymore. Breaking news! Trump called AOC FAT!

The answer is very simple. If the US experiences a collapse of some kind (which it might), it will have a profoundly negative effect on the value of currencies worldwide, including the EUR and GBP. So, no matter how much you hate it, the value of your currency is affected by the value of ours.

That must be the most ridiculous argument I've read so far. Look at this news that I just picked from the news magazine:

The Supreme Court will decide if abusive spouses have a right to own guns (vox.com)
Girlparts

The world is shaking! Suspense! Good thing that I've been informed about this one.

That's just one reason why you should care about the rise of conservatism and how it harms the U.S.

Keep it for @USpolitics

pikakilla,

Woooo internet tough guy here. Be careful everyone -- hes gonna call you out! o7 keyboard warrior, o7.

PabloDiscobar,
@PabloDiscobar@kbin.social avatar

If you want to do the same thing you did on reddit then why did you leave reddit?

Izzgo,

You've been here a whole 19 days, at least on this account. People likely assume you came from reddit as well.

vanquesse,
@vanquesse@kbin.social avatar

The destruction of queer rights in the US will harm me regardless of me ever setting foot in the country.

PabloDiscobar,
@PabloDiscobar@kbin.social avatar

Don't be ridiculous.

brownpaperbag,
@brownpaperbag@kbin.social avatar

I don't think they're being ridiculous to say that US politics has an impact outside of the US. To quote a former Canadian Prime Minister:

"Living next to you is in some ways like sleeping with an elephant. No matter how friendly and even-tempered is the beast, if I can call it that, one is affected by every twitch and grunt."

Izzgo,

why do you think that this guy talking to his fellow politicians is news worthy?

I'm one one of the downvoters, so I'll try giving you an answer. As an American, it's newsworthy to me when the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court is publicly calling out the other justices for behavior he deems unbecoming a justice. I had not realized that @news was specifically for European news? And I think perhaps YOU had not realized that in America, the supreme court is theoretically above politics. A justice is not a politician. Again, in theory. Lately our supreme court has been behaving very much like bought-and-paid-for politicians, and that should be concerning to all Americans.

PabloDiscobar,
@PabloDiscobar@kbin.social avatar

I had not realized that @news was specifically for European news?

There is a whole world out there. Right now @new is around 50% US. How is it a good thing? Look at this from a non US perspective. You open your news feed and nearly half of it is about US politicians doing the political dance.

If you have political news to post, please post them at least in a political magazine, not in news.

Lately our supreme court has been behaving very much like bought-and-paid-for politicians, and that should be concerning to all Americans.

This is not news, everyone around the planet know that your politicians are sold to the richest people. Again, keep it into political magazines, or we will be flooded.

Do you really want US politics to flood each sub like what happened on reddit?

Drusas,

TIL the US isn't part of the world.

fishos,

I'm downvoting you because you're being incredibly immature right now. People can disagree with you
Saying "how dare you downvote me, I can SEE IT!" and calling them out makes you look like a giant child. You need to take some time to consider your own response and whether or not that's something WE want on the fediverse. You can just as easily be blocked too, you know.

PabloDiscobar,
@PabloDiscobar@kbin.social avatar

Downvoting and running away was a reddit thing, now you are accountable for your downvotes.

I have the maturity to ask for answer when people react to what I say. My question about sorting posts out of @news and moving them to @USpolitics is perfectly legitimate. I'm glad that some people took the time to answer so we can have a discussion, but so far among the handful of people who had the courage to put up a written argument I've read nothing convincing me that this post has its place in @news rather than in politics.

If all you want is a copy of reddit then please go back to reddit.You will have a barrage of US political news all day long.

You need to take some time to consider your own response and whether or not that's something WE want on the fediverse. You can just as easily be blocked too, you know.

Block me, be my guest, at least you won't be able to downvote me on sight anymore.

BurnTheRight,

Many of us won't block you. We will just see you and feel sad for you.

fishos,

Doing things like calling out someone's post history or making a whiney edit about the people downvoting you are also reddit things. And that's the kind of behaviour you're exhibiting right here. You're being close minded and demanding that other people cater to your needs. Just like Americans shouldn't only concern themselves with their news, you too shouldn't only close yourself off and only care about your news. And if you don't like it, unsubscribe yourself.

Go touch some grass dude.

PabloDiscobar,
@PabloDiscobar@kbin.social avatar

Doing things like calling out someone's post history or making a whiney edit about the people downvoting you are also reddit things. And that's the kind of behaviour you're exhibiting right here. You're being close minded and demanding that other people cater to your needs.

I'm not whining, I'm calling people out on their bullshit votes. @news is turning into political trash and you don't seem to care.

Just like Americans shouldn't only concern themselves with their news, you too shouldn't only close yourself off and only care about your news. And if you don't like it, unsubscribe yourself.

I'm not closed, I already posted about foreign countries. And if you are not happy with people calling you out on your bullshit then go back to reddit where you can downvote incognito.

You can turn this place to shit if you want to but I won't remain quiet about it, dude...

disposabletentacle,

I'm calling people out on their bullshit votes.

Okay, I've been staying out of this but now I just have to: what kind of extraordinary qualifications do you have to unilaterally decide which votes are valid and which are not? Is it as simple as any vote that disagrees with you is automatically "bullshit"?

Have you considered that people are just downvoting you and moving on because they feel that the flaws in your arguments are apparent enough that they can just click the down arrow without having to type a whole essay about it?

And really, why should anyone have to type out a whole response to justify clicking downvote? What makes your opinions so astronomically important that they deserve everyone's full intellectual energy or none at all?

PabloDiscobar,
@PabloDiscobar@kbin.social avatar

Okay, I've been staying out of this but now I just have to:

What an entry!

what kind of extraordinary qualifications do you have to unilaterally decide which votes are valid and which are not? Is it as simple as any vote that disagrees with you is automatically "bullshit"?

I'm talking about very factual points: the usage of the tool that we are building now. Many of us have migrated because of the flaws of other media platforms.

Your position about "downvote" is like expression a feeling. For other people like me it's very factual. That's part of what I wanted to establish. It emotions vs facts all over again. The reaction I had were mostly based on feeling. Just like the content I'm seeing spammed here. Ragebait.

Have you considered that people are just downvoting you and moving on because they feel that the flaws in your arguments are apparent enough that they can just click the down arrow without having to type a whole essay about it?

And I gave them an opportunity to answer with arguments. That was the point. If they have such a big reason to downvote then let's go and say why. And the result is poof.... there was not much except feelings. This magazine is turning into a collection of ragebait. And now one of the default magazine of the alternative to reddit has fallen into the same trap that reddit laid to us: ragebait content. I wouldn't care if is was posted into USPolitics or politicus, but news, what, the whole planet???

I expected much better from the first wave of people who left reddit. In the end they just want more of the same ragebait.

And I know exactly what you are all going to say. "then go away if you don't like it". Yes, I don't like it, that's why I left reddit. I couldn't care less about your political shitshow non-stop circus which leaked thorough all the subs. You think people care about your senators killing a dog with their car? The people posting other news are now thrown down the frontpage so we can make more space for the latest Trumpstunt. And now you are getting out of the wood because you had too much! What a superhero you are.

n0m4n,

SCOTUS is not held to any ethical standards and have appointments that last for life. The conservative court has gone off the rails on their latest rulings, arguably making discrimination legal, even on protected groups. This upends decades of protections for vulnerable groups that were targeted by fascist groups.
While Roberts is whining about criticism on what his court has done, the main topic of criticism is newsworthy in that it has real consequences.
The same groups that lean toward authoritarianism, also lean toward Putin being allowed to take Ukraine. This fight spills over to the rest of the world.

PabloDiscobar,
@PabloDiscobar@kbin.social avatar

We do not care!

This is not news material. Keep it for USPolitics, or Politicus, or nonpartisan, or whatever political magazine is fit for. This is not newsworthy.

brownpaperbag,
@brownpaperbag@kbin.social avatar

I'm thinking you should probably stop speaking on behalf of everyone. I am not American but I do care that millions of Americans are losing their rights. I care that US businesses got over a trillion in PPP loan forgiveness but that the same can't be extended to 40 million individuals and their student loans for education they are almost forced to have if they want a shot at making more than minimum wage and even then, it's not a guarantee.

I'm not a refugee but I care that the Greek government effectively let hundreds die rather than assist them.

I'm not French but I am interested in the riots happening there.

I'm not Russian, Ukrainian, or even European but I want to know what is happening with the occupation of Ukraine, the coup attempt, and what other countries are doing to ensure the Russia doesn't violate NATO and the repercussions if they do.

Why do you believe you get to narrow the scope of what is news on behalf of everyone else?

PabloDiscobar,
@PabloDiscobar@kbin.social avatar

I'm thinking you should probably stop speaking on behalf of everyone. I am not American but I do care that millions of Americans are losing their rights. I care that US businesses got over a trillion in PPP loan forgiveness but that the same can't be extended to 40 million individuals and their student loans for education they are almost forced to have if they want a shot at making more than minimum wage and even then, it's not a guarantee.

Stop importing US problems in your own country. Nothing meaningful happens in your country? You still have to indulge into america politics even with the @news magazine? What is so hard with posting US political news in one of the US political magazines? Tell me!

Have a look at the frontpage of @news, we are at around 50% of american news and most of it is political.

I'm not a refugee but I care that the Greek government effectively let hundreds die rather than assist them.

I'm not French but I am interested in the riots happening there.

I'm not Russian, Ukrainian, or even European but I want to know what is happening with the occupation of Ukraine, the coup attempt, and what other countries are doing to ensure the Russia doesn't violate NATO and the repercussions if they do.

We can fill the frontpage of news with french political news, should we? Of course not.

At least post it in @politics. So far absolutely no one could argue why political news weren't posted to @political instead.

brownpaperbag,
@brownpaperbag@kbin.social avatar

Again, why do you believe you get to narrow the scope of what news is to everyone else? You are welcome to create your own magazines that talk about exactly what you want and block the ones that aren't what you want to engage with.

PabloDiscobar,
@PabloDiscobar@kbin.social avatar

And this magazine is @news.

Why don't YOU take your content and publish it into the magazine that was designed for it in the first place?

I will tell you: popularity! You don't want to read USpolitics because it's not popular, you want the buzz

Also, if you were a little bit coherent with what you said, you would agree with me. You said:

I'm not a refugee but I care that the Greek government effectively let hundreds die rather than assist them.

I'm not French but I am interested in the riots happening there.

I'm not Russian, Ukrainian, or even European but I want to know what is happening with the occupation of Ukraine, the coup attempt, and what other countries are doing to ensure the Russia doesn't violate NATO and the repercussions if they do.

So you pretend to care about what happens outside of the USA, but look at the results on news:

Zelensky, 5 upvotes

Uruguay, 3 upvotes

Sweden, 3 upvotes

Cambodia, 2 upvotes.

Israel 7

China 8

Australia 5

Germany 8

Scotland 7

uk 9

Colombia 5

meanwhile, prostitution in Maine 80

supreme court total around 500

See? This is american redditors pushing their political content in the news feed and pushing the content you wanted to see down the frontpage. What do you think of this?

Drusas,

If you haven't noticed yet, your opinion is the one in the minority here.

PabloDiscobar,
@PabloDiscobar@kbin.social avatar

Still, my opinion is the only one justified. Read the comments, see by yourself. I gave a chance to anyone who downvoted me to voice his opinion and all I saw was miss and miss.

IHeartBadCode,
@IHeartBadCode@kbin.social avatar

Is this really the content that we want for @news ?

There is an up/down vote button for you to express that POV on the post itself. I get what you're attempting to do, but as someone mentioned, this isn't Reddit you have open the ability to create your own @news. Hell, I encourage you to. A nonhomogeneous mix is actually healthier in the long run. And, at least for my part, now you have the answer to why someone down voted you.

Also, no one likes the explicitly @-ing folks who down voted you. Yes, you can see who down votes you but I feel, you should perhaps use the saying of "with great power comes great responsibility." Maybe ask "openly" why you're being down voted. @-ing the folks, and remember this is solely my subjective opinion, that's not cool.

Also, no one owes you an explanation of jack crap. And that applies "in general." Yes, it's better when someone explains their position to you and what not. But no one OWES you an explanation. I think that's what rubs me with the @-ing folks wrong here. None of those people HAVE TO explain themselves, it'd be great if they did, but you are not owed it and that is a very important distinction.

PabloDiscobar,
@PabloDiscobar@kbin.social avatar

There is an up/down vote button for you to express that POV on the post itself.

NO.

There is a reason why we have different magazines with different names. Got to @USpolitics or @politicus. How many more political subs do you need? When we register for @news it's not to get yet another american political shenanigans. You really think that someone from Italy registered to @news to hear about what your governor or potus or whatever wizard said to his king? Use your magazines! What is wrong with you? We are not your audience.

Let's invite some people from lemmy.ml and see if you agree to follow their votes. They have news too, do you want to hear from them? Of course not! So change your tone.

Also, no one owes you an explanation of jack crap. And that applies "in general."

I don't care, I will keep callout you out on your bullshit. block me if you want. After all, you said yourself that there is an upvote/downvote button, well there is also a block button, please use it, but I will keep calling you out anyway. Post your political soap opera to your political magazine, end of the story.

Izzgo,

@news describes itself as

Breaking news and current events worldwide.

America is in the world. As is Africa, Asia, South America, etc. Perhaps you should talk to the mods of @news and see if they won't change their rules for submissions. Maybe you want it limited to big, important, European, and most critically non-American news? The front page of that magazine currently has the earthshaking news that Italy is offering the Colosseum for Elon and Mark to duke it out in. And that Cambodian Prime Minister Hun Sen is fighting with Meta. And that a well known Oscar winner has died. Would none of those articles have been submitted before the Reddit migration?

ErraticDragon,
@ErraticDragon@kbin.social avatar

Is this really the content that we want for @news ?

Yes, overwhelmingly so, it seems:

imgur

PabloDiscobar,
@PabloDiscobar@kbin.social avatar

And the news about Ukraine, France, Sweden, Uruguay, Cambodia, Australia are in the single digits. So kbin is turning into reddit. In less than 3 weeks we are back at square one. And this is without the influx of the people who will be pushed away from reddit on July.

It was cool while it lasted.

BurnTheRight,

Hmmm. I wonder why there are more posts about US news than Cambodian news. Why is that? Do you think it could be a conspiracy by thousands of users to flood the Fediverse with US news pieces to try to drown out all of the Cambodian news everyone would prefer to hear?

Or maybe the content you see is whatever is on people's minds, so they post it. Maybe you can post some Cambodian news instead of complaining about the lack of it. I'm interested in Cambodian news too, so please feel free to post all that sweet, sweet Cambodian news you are so upset about not seeing.

Drusas,

I wonder also if it might be because we are all reading news and conversing in English right now. Not very many of us can read Khmer.

PabloDiscobar,
@PabloDiscobar@kbin.social avatar

you can use https://ground.news to find foreign news in english so you can share them easily. Sorted by quality and political orientation.

https://ground.news/article/3e3c078d-de55-4f8b-9731-8e6ed80cc1fd

Cambodia ruling party victory a sure bet as campaigning begins for general election

which gives another point of view leaning right, from Australia.

https://thewest.com.au/politics/election/cambodian-pm-launches-virtually-unopposed-election-tilt-c-11149620?utm_source=ground.news&utm_medium=referral

Cambodian Prime Minister Hun Sen has launched his ruling party's campaign for re-election in a poll that has been criticised as a sham after the main opposition party was prevented from running.

But of course if you all want to share what brand of cereals Donald Trump had for breakfast then please be my guest and post it as NEWS. But the best place to do it is reddit.

n0m4n,

I looked up https://ground.news on your suggestion and immediately signed up. This is the site that I have wanted to find for years. Thanks

RoundSparrow,

You said this back on July 2, how is it months later?

Neferic,

I am sympathetic to Kagan's argument on standing and similarly I understand why Roberts is trying to lower the pressure. In any case this seems to come back to Congress no longer passing legislation and instead relying on executive powers for all political requirements. Not really seeing a solution until primary rules change. Centrists are left unserved presently.

CynAq,
@CynAq@kbin.social avatar

Centrists can go suck a fat one. The primary reason we're in this fascistic mess globally is the centrists' aversion to being inconvenienced for the rights of their fellow people and for the future of the planet.

That's what creates dictatorships, that's what starts world wars, in summary, that's what enables fascists.

Neferic,

Can you give me an example? Some purple states have protected reproductive health in response to the court overturning Roe. My perception is that the primary races are selecting increasingly polarizing candidates who's goal is just notoriety/fundraising over governing. MTG is a prime demonstration of this effect.

CynAq,
@CynAq@kbin.social avatar

I said global. This is a human phenomenon, not specific to US politics.

Think of it like a "greed is the root of all evil" kinda statement.

Neferic,

Thank you for your reply. What I am trying to articulate is that I see the trend toward extreme candidates cascading through many government systems. The origin being at the legislature in America's circumstance. The legislature holds nominations of judges in it's hands now which is why we are seeing the buck stop at the court. Congress gets to bemoan the fact that the court is responsible because they aren't offering any practicable solutions. Please note, I am not saying the court is without fault. There are certainly ethics rules issues at play and the court composition as it is now is due to the faults of congress in how the nomination process works.

My thought is that if primaries worked differently legislative candidates would run more moderate campaigns and we would see less brinkmanship at the court. Roberts I think is correctly concerned about the perception of the court and is genuinely worried about the last branch of US government losing the respect of the populace. With the decision on Roe v Wade, I think he should be.

xuxebiko,

People should be silent while we destroy their future - Roberts, 2023

lunar_parking,
@lunar_parking@kbin.social avatar

The supreme court even as a concept is one of the most asinine yet accepted institutions in the world. On par with the Catholic church, but so much worse because it actually has enormous and direct power over 330+ million people. I am dreaming and pining for the day that someone in power, most likely a president, just legitimately tells them to fuck off. They have no enforcement power and they fucking know it. I'm yearning for someone to have the courage, but it's as clear as it possibly can be that it certainly won't be a Democrat.

zalack,
@zalack@kbin.social avatar

The thing is that the court only has so much power right now because Congress is so fucking broken. If Congress where in working order it could just legislate all the shit that the court is blocking the executive on.

Neferic,

Is there any sense when Congress went off the rails? Some folks I have listened to say it was around the 90s but there were obviously very contentious times before then.

Can_you_change_your_username,

The Congress has never consistently functioned well, I'm not entirely convinced it's designed to. For the current mess, both in Congress and American politics in general, probably the most influential source is Newt Gingrich's electioneering policy of attacking wedges and saying anything you have to to get headlines without regards to the truthfulness of your statements. That's what reshaped the Republican party to be particularly welcoming to extremists, popularized science denial, and led to the modern wave of Christian Nationalism.

https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2020/07/07/newt-gingrich-republican-party

Neferic,

Can you elaborate on the comparison to the church? You don't like a panel having authority so you want to consolidate it to a president unilaterally ignoring the third branch? Would term limits on judges change how you see the court?

lunar_parking,
@lunar_parking@kbin.social avatar

The Catholic church is an unjustifiable and ridiculous institution in the same way the supreme court is. The Catholic church also had a lot of control over the lives of many people for a very long time, although that influence has obviously waned in recent centuries and decades (although it's clearly still not completely gone). Now, as far as the president having control, I will also say fuck the presidency, but it would always be my hope that a person in that position would do anything in their power as a president and a person to stand up to unjustifiable institutions like the supreme court. Obviously a president couldn't abolish the supreme court single-handedly, nor do I think that would necessarily, inherently be a good thing, but I do think that a president could and should call out the obvious reasons for which the institution needs to be abolished, because it absolutely does. The fact that nine human beings can directly control the lives of millions and millions and millions of people is an absolute travesty. I don't even feel dissimilarly about congress, but obviously it's a bit better because they are actually elected. In general, though, I am a very strong proponent of direct democracy. Term limits are a starting point, but it would be akin to applying a bandaid to a gaping, oozing wound.

Seasoned_Greetings,

Well if the court didn't engage in clearly partisan politics, maybe the liberal justices wouldn't have anything to criticize.

Does he realize how bad it looks when he voices that his problem is criticism and not like, I don't know, taking money from political interests? Or refusing to recuse in cases where there's a relative directly involved?

sab,
@sab@kbin.social avatar

It is really incredible how far down the drain the SCOTUS has gone in such a short period of time. Not saying it was great before Justice Kennedy retired either, but at least back then it was generally respected.

kmkz_ninja,

I hope RoyGBiv is rolling in her grave at refusing to step down and let Obama select a replacement when she knew the power of her position.

sethadam1,
@sethadam1@kbin.social avatar

Why do you think they would've filled her spot when they didn't fill the other one with Merrick Garland? She protected her spot or they would've held it up until Trump.

FaceDeer,
@FaceDeer@kbin.social avatar

She could have retired at any time, including right after Obama was elected. The Republicans couldn't have held the spot open for years. It would have become a major election issue.

Johnvanjim,

I'd bet good money McConnell would have tried to find a way/reason to keep it open, look at all the rules making/breaking they did to fill/keep a seat empty close to elections, I'm sure they'd just come up with some other bullshit

Silverseren,

I'm sure he would have tried, but we're dealing with massive hypotheticals at this point. Under your argument, we should not have a justice at any point ever step down because McConnell would try to block a nomination. Yes, he would try. Doesn't change the fact that the best move was for her to step down at the beginning of the term.

We should honestly be pushing for justices getting on in years and having health issues to step down at the beginning of presidential terms regardless.

Chozo,

"Why won't they just let us make wildly unpopular decisions that jeopardize the livelihoods of Americans without having to make us feel bad about it?!"

-Roberts, 2023

keeb420,

"Why can't we be blatantly corrupt without getting called on it? "

NecoArcKbinAccount,
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