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HubertManne, in From cage-free chicks to puppy mills and Avian flu: Republicans are trying to roll back animal protections in the U.S.
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At their best republicans are pretty crappy but its super villian in a lair stuff like this which makes it impossible for me to understand how anyone can vote for this party.

spacecowboy,

Because there are a lot of people who are villains, Hubert. A lot.

exohuman, in From cage-free chicks to puppy mills and Avian flu: Republicans are trying to roll back animal protections in the U.S.
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Why are they so dead set on doing evil?

WHYAREWEALLCAPS,

Because it costs less. Treating animals like they do/did/want to requires less labor and less overhead costs so higher profits.

ImplyingImplications, in US mother sentenced to two years in prison for giving daughter abortion pills

Two years is probably worth it when the alternative was being forced to raise a grandchild she did not want for the next 18+ years

tsonfeir,
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Everything about this comment is depressing.

jasory,

You mean like how individuals are supposedly forced to raise their grandchildren for 18+ years?

In the US you aren’t even forced to raise your own children, you can surrender them to the state if you really can’t take care of them.

Yeah, the dishonesty is depressing. Let’s just ignore that they are implying that a parent should be able to decide if their children reproduce, wouldn’t want people to become grandparents against their wishes!

tsonfeir,
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I mean, those are the two options. Jail or a life raising a kid no one wanted.

jasory,

Yes, the only two options. You realise we are talking about grandparents? Grandparents have no innate legal guardianship over there grandchildren, it’s simply a social norm that they take care of them (often eagerly).

The second option isn’t even required of biological parents who are innate legal guardians let alone grandparents. I already said this once so the fact that you willfully ignored it is telling.

Also 18 years isn’t life, leave it to pro-abortion people to lie about the severity of everything simply to justify a personal convenience.

Nothing said here is true, and it’s so ironic that the Guardian makes a sob piece about this when what they did is illegal in most countries. (Including the UK where the Guardian is based).

tsonfeir,
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I’m a little bit confused, which side are you on?

jasory,

The side of reality? Even if you support an outcome, you are under zero obligation to support everything that leads to that outcome either directly or incidentally.

It may be a fact that the Earth is somewhat spherical, but someone that comes to this conclusion using astronomical data is not equivalent to someone to determines that the Earth is a sphere because oranges are also spheres.

Even if you support the pro-choice position it’s easy to see that many claims and assumptions made are simply false. This is true for essentially every commonly held belief, the vast majority of people couldn’t even develop the scientific method independently.

tsonfeir,
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Still confused, and it sounds like you’re being purposefully vague.

Be more specific:

Should the person go to jail? Yes or no.

Are you for or against a woman’s ability to have an abortion? For or against

jasory,

I’m actually not being purposely vague, you can tell pretty easily. The fact is that it doesn’t matter, so long as the actual criticism is valid.

“Should the person go to jail”- legally, of course.

Practically, probably not. Even though it was a clearly premeditated action, people are simply more sympathetic to certain types of people. This is why people will save their friends before strangers, it is not a question of morality that determines if your friends are more valuable, it’s purely psychology. Likewise people are more concerned about the person they see complaining about a minor inconvenience than the death toll of a famine. People will always fall for a victimisation narrative (everyone on this post is doing just that) so long as the “victim” is more appealing to them. Adult humans are just simply more appealing than fetuses, so incidents like these serve to whip up a frenzy despite the fact that virtually everyone agrees with the moral arguments against late-term abortion. (The majority of people openly oppose it, and those that don’t probably agree with a formal description of the argument, and just want to white knight).

“For or against a woman’s ability to have an abortion”

Nobody has any right to take conscious action to deprive others of future conscious experience, so long as it does not deprive themselves of future conscious experience. This is a fairly succinct claim that addresses the permissibility of killing the temporarily comatose, the suicidal, and individuals with ambiguous self-worth. (None of it is permissible, and consequently neither is abortion of a healthy fetus).

tsonfeir,
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Got it. I don’t agree. Goodnight.

jasory,

Of course you don’t agree, would I have said a word if you did?

Unlike you I find no utility in circle jerking over something I already believe with a group of other dishonest morons.

tsonfeir,
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Good thing you’re a minority. 🤪

squarm,

I adore that you either didnt read or didn’t comprehend the first paragraph of the article and then twist it to fit into your delusions. Its really cute. No critical thinking skills, just vibes. What a life. Honestly enviable.

balderdash9, in Mastodon makes a major move amid Musk’s multiple messes

The big addition in this edition is a rebuilt search facility. That matters, because it’s something users expect to just work. Mastodon 4.2 has therefore made it possible to search for users using by words in their bio and their names. “The most exciting news is that for the first time, you can now search for posts,” Rochko wrote

That’s the main point of the article. Damn, when did clickbait become so ubiquitous?

BedSharkPal, in Mastodon makes a major move amid Musk’s multiple messes

Hopefully this helps. Mastodons greatest issue IMO is content and author discovery.

ChaoticNeutralCzech,
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A Fediverse-wide problem stemming from its decentralized nature (and perhaps the devs not prioritizing it early).

xc2215x, in Mastodon makes a major move amid Musk’s multiple messes

Mastodon has a big opportunity now with Elon wanting everyone to pay. These search ideas are good.

Mongostein,

We should start a pool on how long until the corporate enshittification of Mastadon starts.

palordrolap,

Mastodon is a lot harder to enshittify being as it's decentralised and uses an open protocol.

If it looks like an instance has gone down the path of corporate enshittification, other instances will stop federating with it.

The software itself could be a target, but it's open-source. Even the original instance created by the software creators (mastodon.social), turns to the dark side, someone will inevitably fork the last open-source version of the software and other instances will then update from the most popular fork.

As long as the underlying protocol remains the same, it doesn't really matter what happens.

Heck, kbin is totally different software but uses the same protocol to federate with the various Lemmys, other kbins, and, yes, Mastodon instances too.

Consider what happened a number of times with Reddit where various groups left and used the last open-source version of the software to set up their own Reddit clones. It wasn't particularly successful for them, but one or two of them are still out there.

If there had been a large number of them all sharing content and posts like Mastodon etc., maybe they would have been more popular. (For better or worse).

IamRoot, in US mother sentenced to two years in prison for giving daughter abortion pills

I would gladly serve it.

sbv, in Mastodon makes a major move amid Musk’s multiple messes

Yes, the man who says he plans to colonize Mars can’t find a way to stop obviously dodgy social media signups.

tbf, colonizing Mars is an engineering problem, whereas social media is a sociological problem.

(I’m like 70% joking)

admiralteal,

Colonizing mars is a stupid thing to do pretty much full stop.

Mars cannot be terraformed. It has no meaningful magnetic field. That's a dead end for a planet's ability to retain a useful atmosphere and ward off cosmic radiation. You'll have to live in shielded, sealed pods to survive there, always. In which case you may as well be in space with access to abundant solar energy and less of a gravity well to contend with for your frequent resupply missions. There's barely any advantage to being on Mars compared to orbiting some random Lagrange point or the sun itself. I guess you can make use of some earthworks for civil engineering? Hardly seems worth it.

paper_clip, (edited )
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There's barely any advantage to being on Mars compared to orbiting some random Lagrange point or the sun itself.

Oye Beltalowda.

HappyHarryHadron,
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Just started watching The Expanse, it's good shit

rastilin,

I've read that Mars could retain an Earth-like atmosphere because, while it's stripped away by the solar wind, it would happen over tens of millions of years; any remotely plausible terraforming attempt would be able to replenish it much faster than that.

smollittlefrog,

There’s also no point in colonizing mars. We have enough uninhabitated desert here on earth. It’s not a space problem, it’s a cost problem. And building on mars is a lot more costly than building in a desert.

HubertManne, in US mother sentenced to two years in prison for giving daughter abortion pills
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To poor to have a baby. Hey we will help you out and cover all the bills for the life of the child. JK but off to jail if you abort.

ripcord, in US Senator Menendez charged with bribery, steps down from Senate committee role
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It's really nice to see some of these fuckers caught and investigated for a change.

The ever-growing pessimist in me wonders what he did to trigger this though. I want to believe this is good people in government doing their job and rooting out corruption. But I'm pretty sure most people in the Senate are doing this shit.

God damn, I still can't fucking believe Boebert and her husband's million dollar "cunsulting fees" (aka bribery payments) weren't quickly investigated and they're already in jail. It's the exact same shit.

Billy_Gnosis,
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I’m convinced that a high percentage of these assclowns run for these positions as a front to do whatever other illegal activities they really want to do.

rafoix,

If he was a member of the GOP the right wing media would accuse (Democrat of the month) of making up evidence and would eventually be pardoned by the next Republican president.

JelloBrains, in Mastodon makes a major move amid Musk’s multiple messes
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The search function is nice and really appreciated. But, from my experience, the biggest problem with Mastodon is how much work you have to put into curating a feed, something traditional social media has done some of the work for you. I mean it's fairly simple once you get the hang of it, but a lot of people are used to having their hand held.

Also, I'm not looking to piss people off, but I think in terms of the users on the platform it is extremely progressive, and non-progressive people will be less likely to engage with that.

Jimmycrackcrack,

Or will change that. I suspect in their infancy most of the popular corporate owned social media platforms probably had a more left leaning clientele to begin with.

Madison_rogue, in Alabama seeks to execute prisoner using nitrogen gas asphyxiation
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I'm going to start off this conversation by first saying I'm not an advocate of the death penalty. However, of all the methods used, asphyxiation is not "cruel and unusual." It is quick (as in immediate) and painless. This is why the defendant's lawyers have no idea what they're talking about.

starman2112,

Honestly if I had to choose, it would be nitrogen. The alternatives in Alabama are electrocution and lethal injection, both of which are absolutely horrifying. If I was him I’d be firing my lawyers for trying to get the state to use methods that essentially torture you to death instead of the one that just makes you fall asleep.

Absolutely monstrous that he’s getting the death penalty in the first place though. I hope he isn’t in the 5% or so who turn out to be innocent.

Jesus fucking Christ, I just read about the first attempt. The state of Alabama tortured this man for hours, injected him with who knows what, and now they want to do it again. As far as I’m concerned he served his sentence.

MonsiuerPatEBrown,

if you crush the person with a giant falling anvil it is quick and painless as well as long as a professional administers the anvil.

Itty53,
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This sounds like a joke but this is the explicit problem: doctors won't be the ones to do it.

You guys all knew that right? Doctors don't administer those chemicals for lethal injection. And they won't be administering gas either. Some po'dunk cop will.

Because doctors take an oath that begins "first, do no harm". This has forever been the problem of the very notion of "humane execution", there are no physicians involved. None. At any step.

Know what's just as effective? Bullets. But we can't call a firing squad humane with a straight face, and the witnesses remaining are traumatized, including the shooters. That truth exposes the truth of the death penalty. It's not about justice, but retribution - for the living. They're lynchings. Violent theatrics. That's the point.

They shouldn't be legal, it's barbaric. But you already said you weren't for them, so I'm just preaching to the ether.

falsem,

Doesn't asphyxiation feel like drowning? Doesn't sound pleasant to me. Though I guess it beats burning alive?

traches,

Your “I need to breathe” reflex is driven by the presence of CO2, not by the absence of oxygen. A lack of oxygen makes you euphoric, then you get tunnel vision, and then you pass out. This is why it’s dangerous to hyperventilate before free diving - you clear out the CO2 from your blood but don’t really add more oxygen. Instead of coming up for air when you need it, you might just pass out instead.

AmidFuror,

That's why I always pay for my dives.

originalucifer,
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i tried paying for my time at the no free diving site near me, but theres never anyone available. feels like im stealing!

SomeGuyNamedPaul,

People panic while normal choking because their blood CO2 is rising and they can’t do anything about it. Being exposed to pure nitrogen doesn’t have that effect, it’s what makes working with nitrogen cannisters so dangerous. If they leak in a confined space and then displace all the normal 21% O2 room air with pure N2 the effect is that workers don’t even notice something is wrong. Instead they just calmly pass out and quickly die. It’s probably the easiest way to go.

HubertManne,
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I agree here. I don't think we should be doing the death penalty but if it has to be done an inert gas is the least bad way.

DougHolland, in US mother sentenced to two years in prison for giving daughter abortion pills

It's the Republic of Gilead.

So fucking infuriating. Everything that ever made an American flag not worth burning seems to be over and done with.

@0x815

originalucifer, in Alabama seeks to execute prisoner using nitrogen gas asphyxiation
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isnt carbon monoxide the silent killer? why dont we use that (if were so insistent on killing humans)

HubertManne,
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Silent but not untraumatic and painless. Basically inert gases you don't even realize your not getting oxygen and carbon monoxide is similar but you take it up and it causes many horrible symptoms. For details a combination of these will explain it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asphyxiant_gas
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_monoxide_poisoning#Signs_and_symptoms

Pyr_Pressure,

Nitrogen is inert and already makes up 70% of the air you breath. Your body won’t even notice if it’s turned up to 100%.

admiralteal,

Your body has no sense of oxygen content of the air. What you sense is CO2 buildup in your blood (because it modifies the pH). In a pure nitrogen environment you can still exhale the CO2, but of course do not replenish any O2. It's not just that you won't notice -- there is nothing to notice. Your body literally lacks the sensory ability to detect it.

To be distinguished from a pure CO2 environment where you cannot expel the CO2 so you will feel the effect of being unable to breath.

After taking one or two breaths of N2, there will be so little O2 in your lungs that breathing will actually run your respiration backwards -- it will pull O2 out of your blood instead of bringing it in.

You'll likely experience a light euphoria, get a headache, maybe feel a bit dizzy. But this will happen so fast it's hard to even be certain -- unconsciousness in under a minute is expected and within just a few breaths is possible.

DarkThoughts,

No. That will burn your lungs like hell. You'll feel like actually suffocating. Nitrogen is an inert gas, so you won't even feel it, another one is helium. You'll pretty much lose consciousness after just a couple breaths and then fade away quietly. It's very commonly used in suicide bags and there's modern assisted suicide methods that use it too.

I think death penalties are barbaric and uncivilized, no matter what, but comparatively it's probably better than almost anything the US used historically.

xNIBx, in US Senator Menendez charged with bribery, steps down from Senate committee role

This was the senator that was blocking Turkey from getting the new and upgraded F-16 btw. I wonder if this will change anything.

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