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girl, in A Decongestant in Cold Medicines Doesn’t Work at All, an F.D.A. Panel Says. The panel’s vote tees up a likely decision by the agency on whether to essentially ban the ingredient, phenylephrine.

I must be a placebo effect case lol. I use phenylephrine HCl and it seems to keep me clear usually. If I forget it I spend the entire day sniffling or completely clogged. Though it only works if I’m well hydrated, it will actually make it worse if not.

athos77, in A Decongestant in Cold Medicines Doesn’t Work at All, an F.D.A. Panel Says. The panel’s vote tees up a likely decision by the agency on whether to essentially ban the ingredient, phenylephrine.

Does anyone know if phenylephrine is otherwise harmless? If it's essentially harmless, and assuming all these various products have other ingredients that remain effective, then it seems to me that the easiest thing for the companies to do is to move phenylephrine from the "active ingredients" section to the "inactive ingredients" section.

girl,

It is harmless. But moving it to the inactive ingredients will still leave many of them without a decongestant and they’ll have to change all of their packaging/marketing. The other ingredients are usually for fever reduction or cough suppression. It would be a waste of their money to keep a useless ingredient.

Chetzemoka,

Oh no, phenylephrine definitely has effects. It's just that decongestion isn't one of them. Intravenous phenylephrine is sometimes used in critical care hospital settings to deliberately raise a person's blood pressure:

https://www.lhsc.on.ca/critical-care-trauma-centre/phenylephrine-neosynephrine

Anticorp, in A Decongestant in Cold Medicines Doesn’t Work at All, an F.D.A. Panel Says. The panel’s vote tees up a likely decision by the agency on whether to essentially ban the ingredient, phenylephrine.

Sudaphedrine definitely works, although it’s the only thing that has worked for me, and it’s under lock and key behind the pharmacy. I’ve never had results from OTC medicine like this, so I’m not surprised to hear it doesn’t work at all.

LinkOpensChest_wav, in A Decongestant in Cold Medicines Doesn’t Work at All, an F.D.A. Panel Says. The panel’s vote tees up a likely decision by the agency on whether to essentially ban the ingredient, phenylephrine.
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I feel validated. My doctor recommended taking it when I was congested, and I insisted that it never worked for me.

btaf45, in US to argue Google abused power to monopolize internet search as antitrust trial begins

It is pretty easy to change your default web browser, compared to changing your operating system [Microsoft], your social network of friends [Facebook], or your auction site [Ebay]. Microsoft, Facebook, Ebay, etc all have a far greater lock on their markets because a single person cannot make a switch without degrading their experience.

FfaerieOxide, in A Decongestant in Cold Medicines Doesn’t Work at All, an F.D.A. Panel Says. The panel’s vote tees up a likely decision by the agency on whether to essentially ban the ingredient, phenylephrine.
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Just put pseudoephedrine back over the counter again. Christ.

bloopernova,
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But someone might make a tiny amount of meth. Therefore everyone must suffer.

Itty53,
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therefore everyone must suffer

You do realize you can walk right up to that counter, point to the good stuff, and they'll just give it to you right?

They didn't just put it behind the counter to be pretty back there.

FfaerieOxide,
@FfaerieOxide@kbin.social avatar

You do realize you can walk right up to that counter, point to the good stuff, and they'll just give it to you right?

Not after 9.

btaf45,

Just put pseudoephedrine back over the counter again. Christ.

Absolutely. Pseudoephedrine is the real cold medicine. People were saying from the start that phenylephrine didn't work. I almost never used it.

btaf45, in A Decongestant in Cold Medicines Doesn’t Work at All, an F.D.A. Panel Says. The panel’s vote tees up a likely decision by the agency on whether to essentially ban the ingredient, phenylephrine.

An advisory panel to the Food and Drug Administration agreed unanimously on Tuesday that a common decongestant ingredient used in many over-the-counter cold medicines is ineffective.

The panel’s vote tees up a likely decision by the agency on whether to essentially ban the ingredient, phenylephrine, which would result in pulling products containing it from store shelves.

If the F.D.A. ordered their removal, a trade group warned that numerous popular products — including Tylenol, Mucinex and Benadryl cold and flu remedies — might become unavailable as companies race to reformulate them.

On Monday and Tuesday, the panel reviewed several existing studies and largely agreed that the research settled the question that the ingredient was useless and no better than a placebo.

Several advisers noted that patients taking the drug were merely delaying their journey to a useful remedy.

“I think we clearly have better options in the over-the-counter space to help our patients, and the studies do not support that this is an effective drug,” said Maria Coyle, the chairwoman of the panel and an associate professor of pharmacy at Ohio State University.

Why It Matters: These Are Popular Staples of the Medicine Cabinet.
Every cold and flu season, millions of Americans reach for these products, some over decades. The decongestant is in at least 250 products that were worth nearly $1.8 billion in sales last year, according to an agency presentation. Among the products: Sudafed Sinus Congestion, Tylenol Cold & Flu Severe, NyQuil Severe Cold & Flu, Theraflu Severe Cold Relief, Mucinex Sinus Max and others.

The ingredient has long been considered safe and effective under an old, outdated agency standard, and the F.D.A. still says that it is safe.

Many remedies that do include phenylephrine also contain other, more effective medicines as well.

And medications that are considered effective for sinus and nasal congestion do still include nasal sprays with phenylephrine, like Afrin, or oral pseudoephedrine, such as Sudafed, or nasal steroids, such as Flonase.

Many popular cold and flu products that don’t specifically target congestion do not include the ingredient.

And it is still widely considered effective when it is used in surgery and to dilate the eyes. It is destroyed in the gut, though, scientists have concluded.

If the agency decides the decongestant should be eliminated from products, it could significantly disrupt the market for the makers of cold medicines if they do not have enough time to replace it in popular items.

What’s more: It could possibly renew widespread use of an alternative, pseudoephedrine, which was placed behind store counters or in locked cabinets because it was often used in illicit meth labs.

Dr. Hendeles, now an emeritus professor, said in an interview on Tuesday that he had been evaluating the ingredient since 1993.

“The bottom line is quality research has told the true story about phenylephrine,” he said.

The F.D.A. has formally now concluded that phenylephrine, when taken orally, is “not effective as a nasal decongestant.”

For consumers, the potential benefits of ending use of the ingredient, the agency suggested, would include avoiding unnecessary costs or delays in care by “taking a drug that has no benefit.”

lowdownfool, in Putin on Trump: Criminal charges are politically motivated
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The "political motivation" was Trump attempting to become dictator of the US.

HumbleHobo, in Putin on Trump: Criminal charges are politically motivated
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Trump committed crimes because he didn’t like the outcome of democracy. That gives him a LOT in common with all the totalitarian leaders out there and especially the puppet Presidential structure Russia has.

style99, in Putin on Trump: Criminal charges are politically motivated
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On bright side, just 9 more and he gets a free mugshot.

style99, in U.S., abortion rights group sues on behalf of women denied care in emergencies
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Anti-choice = anti-God

These despicable "pro-life" scumbags don't know what they're messing with.

Quexotic,

There’s a counter argument to that, something that echos in my head when I think about the shit they do:

The cruelty is the point™

Anticorp,

Ya know, I’ve never thought about that before, but free will is a central theme throughout Christianity. It’s used to explain away all the evil in the world and the story of Adam himself. You could even say it’s a core fundamental belief of the religion.

Snorf,

Also, the ability to be “absolved” of all bad choices. You get to say sorry. As long as you do that before you die, then you’re all good.

If they really believed all of this, then the “would be child” is safe from damnation and the mother can say sorry.

I do not believe this and do not think a person should feel bad about taking necessary steps to protect their lives.

somas, in Putin on Trump: Criminal charges are politically motivated
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@mike591 this is the guy who showed the world that Russia’s military is a joke, right? I’m not sure anyone takes this guy seriously

xc2215x, in Putin on Trump: Criminal charges are politically motivated

Political or not, he committed so many crimes.

Ganondorf,
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Trump steals from blue collar workers on the reg.

NecoArcKbinAccount, in US to argue Google abused power to monopolize internet search as antitrust trial begins
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Hopefully this stops WEI as it would allow Google to have a total monopoly over the internet.

btaf45,

It is impossible for a company to have a "total monopoly over the internet" because the internet has a decentralized design.

bedrooms, in Food Can Be Literally Addictive, New Evidence Suggests

You talk like I can stop eating doughnuts.

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