estoypoopin,
@estoypoopin@kbin.social avatar

Based on the first 3-4 pages of your profile, it actually looks like you’ve had a couple of different accounts downvoting everything for a week or so at a time. If it’s all the same person, then banning one account isn’t going to fix your problem, they’ll just make a new one and continue. Why not just make a new account for yourself?

Also, this isn’t Reddit. Don’t upvote your own comments.

Zima,

The issue is the alt account that was created to harrass me. I know there are legitimate accounts downvote stalking me and I don't have a problem with that. I actually see it as a good thing since you can see what those other accounts are actually saying so it shows they are hypocrites and/or acting in bad faith.

minnieo,
@minnieo@kbin.social avatar

unrelated but i proudly upvote my own stuff 70% of the time cause i like the illusion of engagement on kbin lol. i dont think anything is wrong with it

FfaerieOxide,
@FfaerieOxide@kbin.social avatar

Maybe your opinions just suck?

You did say colonialism was good for Africa, like an asshole.

Zima, (edited )

I never said that. but thanks for letting us know your true feelings. I'm pretty sure the stalker was offended for the same reason as you are, I'm pretty sure of his real account as well but it's irrelevant. what's rellevantt is that the fact that I don't think socialism is the best system ever doesn't mean you guys can create alt accoutns just to harrras me.

FfaerieOxide, (edited )
@FfaerieOxide@kbin.social avatar

I never said that.

Really, this isn't you saying it's African's fault Europeans enslaved them?

Zima,

Why don't you quote what I said instead of your inversed/distorted version of it?

can,

What are you trying to say then?

Zima, (edited )

edit3: I should have started by pointing out that you could have read my comment in the first place if you really wanted to know what I wanted to say, it's unambiguous so there really should be no confusssion and it's clear i never referenced colllonialism or any of the other bullshit claims made here. given that you are voting down some of my other comments after this interaction shows your true intentions, even if you avoid voting down this one. it seems that some people still don't understand that all this info is public on the fediverse.

well It's not the real issue at point but if you want me to ellaborate. there is some really weird thing that happened during the enlightehment period where a lot of people in europe argued that slavery was not right, supposedly according to historians (and I'm still not buying this part as it seems too self serving) it was because it wasn't aligned with christian values. I'll spend some time looking into william rutheford when I have time to seee if there is any factual evidence behind this claim. anyways the point is that europeans spend massive amount of resources and their own lives ending the slave trade in africa by forcing africans to stop enslaving other africans. that's what I was talking about. I never said europeans enslaved or didn't slave anyone.

the context was a submission about reparations. i am not extremely knowledgable about history but my argument was that many europeans died ending the slave trade, be it against pirates, slave traders or diseases in africa, and they were not doing it for profit so anyone asking for reparations is denying all that sacrifice.

edit: since some people are claiming i'm an asshole as if that somehow justified the stalking i feel I shoudl clarify. the weird part is that those people were willing to pay a prize for their beliefes and embark on ships on expeditions where they literraly had no expectation of profit and were risking their lives. I'm not saying that's wrong . i'ts so incredibly admirable that I personally have a difficult time believing it. to put this in better context for current times in my views this is as if many people suddenly decided to give up their cozy lives in america and decided to go to third world countries to help them. it happens but it's nowhere near the volume of volunteers needed to uplift all people from poverty.

edit2: trolls might think that they "got me" by making me spend the time producing a real answer but in reality it just shows that oxide was lying and this people are either pro-slavery or just harrasing.

CJOtheReal,

Bro they literally sold each other to Europeans so he isn’t wrong…

Shure its not good that they where bought, but man… Its past, Europe doesn’t do that anymore (Noone alive is responsible for it) and Africans still sell each other to each other, slavery is very much alive there still.

(this is in no way pro slavery)

FfaerieOxide,
@FfaerieOxide@kbin.social avatar

You seem to be side-stepping the whole "Europeans bought and bred humans" part.

CJOtheReal,

No I’m not, that has just absolutely nothing to do with the fact that they where sold by Africans. I said that this is a different part of the story and definitely not good either.

FfaerieOxide,
@FfaerieOxide@kbin.social avatar

I think the fact Europeans enslaved people have very much to do with the OP's claim that replacing direct enslavement with debt peonage at a later date more than made up for not only the original enslavement but later colonialism.

Blaming an oppressed group for their own oppression is not a good look.

Zima,

You keep trying to inverse/distort my claims. What is this fabrication about debt peonage? How does it relate to my actual statement?

HubertManne,
@HubertManne@kbin.social avatar

I think he assume you read the comment he put in his comment when you where commenting. Which is pretty short and this is it:

"They paid the moral debt with interest when they forced Africa to stop enslaving their own people to sell them.

Anyone who doesn’t know this is unqualified to speak about it or is being dishonest."

I do get your point which was europe had stopped doing slavery themselves (tacitly given peasants, indentured servitude, wager slavery [which under globalism increased greatly]) but were fine buying them as a commodity and then just deciding they can commoditization the whole race given how different they looked (one reason natives were not enslaved on that scale). Thing with commoditization slavery is it really treated slaves like a commodity and was more brutal than the type of slavery taking place in africa and more seen in history. For anyone or anyone I am in no way condoing or endorsing slavery but it is a complicated historical subject but I would rather have been a slave in many cultures than the typical american colony one or a typical dark ages peasant.

Zima,

I get that my comment was too brief so it can be misunderstood, and gives more room when someone wants to distort it. i ellaborated on it here below but in short I was talking about all the people that actually sailed to africa and went to war with pirates and africans that wouldn't stop ensalving their neighbors. this took many years. a lot of money and many european lives.

HubertManne,
@HubertManne@kbin.social avatar

I think it comes down to sins. You can't make up for killing someone by saving a bunch of lives. Now it can be a powerful personal motivator but part of that motivator is recognizing it can never be made ok.

Zima,

I concede the point. I should have said they already paid reparations with those acts of self sacrifice. which is the closest they can get to making things right. at least it seems like a much bigger sacrifice than a payment in cash.

HubertManne, (edited )
@HubertManne@kbin.social avatar

oh well that makes sense. the idea money is going to somehow make slavery alright is crazy to. I likely missed context due to just reading a link to a comment from another thread so I missed a lot since the one person just brought it up.

CJOtheReal,

You keep trying to put shit into a comment that was never in it. Thats called framing and false facts.

Oh and paying African countries mostly funds terrorism and war lords, so not paying is more helpful.

FfaerieOxide,
@FfaerieOxide@kbin.social avatar

Wow, that's a whole new level of racism than I've ever seen.

Say, who established those borders you claim are constantly at war?
Any chance those were arbitrary lines ignoring local history and cultures by the people OP thinks did nothing to owe reparations over?

CJOtheReal,

So stating facts is racism because they may hurt your feelings? Bro are you perhaps a little stupid?

FfaerieOxide,
@FfaerieOxide@kbin.social avatar

So now your racist views are facts, are they?

They geopolitical equivalent of "...they'd just spend it on drugs." isn't you revealing your underlying racist assumptions, its a universal truth?

How 'bout that.

CJOtheReal,

Bro its literally proven that most money doesn’t do good for the people there and just funds Warlords and Slavery.

Also its questionable how some country is even entitled to get money from others for something that happened more than a lifetime ago.

FfaerieOxide,
@FfaerieOxide@kbin.social avatar

You've almost got racist bingo with your talking points there, maybe you should keep going.

Zima,

You are very toxic and your interactions with others show you are following a playbook of smearing and characther assasination, I'm just responding so that no one else takes you seriously.

I would not be surprised if you actually are racist since you accuse everyone of that when you realize they are not radicals like you.

FfaerieOxide,
@FfaerieOxide@kbin.social avatar

I just said racism was bad my guy.

You're the one who engaged in the exact behavior you complain to everyone about.

Why did you downvote a "Sorry your dad died" post anyway? That's not very Hank Venture of you.

Zima, (edited )

sure racism is bad except for the races you disapprove of...

like i said, if you start going back on my comment history to downvote stalk me dont be surprised if i do the same to you in response. you will probably deny it but FaceDeer had pointed this out already in this thread. i have made this clear a few times already but I get why you pretend to not understand, just like you keep saying i am complaing about it when i have never done and i'm just complaining about the alt account..

FfaerieOxide,
@FfaerieOxide@kbin.social avatar

start going back on my comment history to downvote stalk me

Where are you getting that? I told you explicitly that wasn't me.

I called you an asshole, here, to your face and you decided the behavior you claim to hate is ok when you do it all while not getting back at whomever it was you did (allegedly) downvote stalk you because that's a different person.

Now, I don't give a shit how much you downvote me because internet numbers are no more real than crypto is, but involving someone dead dad in your temper tantrum is really uncool behavior.

CJOtheReal,

Bro stating proven facts isn’t racism, your walnut brain may not be able to compute that but its still a fact.

FfaerieOxide,
@FfaerieOxide@kbin.social avatar

Are you still on this?

I thought we all dropped this yesterday.

Everyone already gets how racist you are; you efforts are in vain on that front if you're trying to convince anybody else.

CJOtheReal,

Ratio…

And fuck you im living in a different time zone.

FfaerieOxide,
@FfaerieOxide@kbin.social avatar

I just hadn't seen anyone roll in this particular shit pile for going on 24 hours now.

Timezone irrespective, don't you have anything better that show an annoying faggot how big of a racist you are? Even OP dipped out last I checked.

Zima,

We have lives. just because some people, totally not you have the time to stalk me i am not going to stop living.

FfaerieOxide,
@FfaerieOxide@kbin.social avatar

I don't know how many times I have to tell you I don't know who "FUckZima" is. This thread is the first time I have ever seen your posts and I'm not the only person to reply that that just from this thread we can understand why someone would hate you.

I find it interesting you consider brigading in response to an assumption you have zero proof for is fine but when whoever it is did it to you for whatever reason it was they chose to do it for (I still suspect you are your own stalker and like attention) you had to complain to everyone about how unfair people are being to you and your shitty shitty opinions.

You still haven't faced how fucked it is to involve bereavement wishes in your temper tantrum, but I would suggest you work on being a better person.

CJOtheReal,

Man, delete your account and let people live in peace. You are insufferable.

FfaerieOxide,
@FfaerieOxide@kbin.social avatar

Yet you keep coming back for more of me.

Sure seems I'm sufferable to me.

FaceDeer, (edited )
@FaceDeer@kbin.social avatar

So seven minutes after Zima posted about a mystery stalker dogging his every comment, you jumped in on the thread with a complaint about something he posted two weeks ago, which when you subsequently linked to it was clearly not saying what you're accusing him of saying and makes you sound like some sort of vindictive crazy person?

What a coincidence!

Let's see if a Fuckyoufacedeer account appears now.

Edit: Oh, another amazing coincidence: nine minutes after Fuckyouzima downvoted Zima's two-week-old comment, you also downvoted his two-week-old comment. And then two minutes later you made your first comment in this thread. We can see who downvotes what and when, you know.

FfaerieOxide,
@FfaerieOxide@kbin.social avatar

Are you good? A guy complained about brigading downvotes, I checked if maybe the person complaining was just an asshole (as sometimes it turns out when people complain folks are out to get them). They were.

I have never heard of Zima before this post, and I have better things to do than brigade vote people on fake accounts.

Zima, (edited )

I never complained about you voting down my every comment. that's fine if you do that i'll do the same to you.
I complained about the alt account with <fuckyou>username. but I guess facts are irrelevant to trolls like you.

FfaerieOxide,
@FfaerieOxide@kbin.social avatar

I never downvoted your every comment, I don't even know who you are beyond the guy who downvoting my giving condolences to someone mourning their dead father, so thanks for that.

Zima,

let me make it simpler for you. you mischaracterized the creation of an alt account to stalk somoene as "A guy complained about brigading downvotes" you should slow down and reconsider the facts.

FfaerieOxide,
@FfaerieOxide@kbin.social avatar

I just wondered if maybe people had a legitimate reason to hate you and then learned you were a colonialism apologist.

I don't condone "FuckZima"
Bernie Mac voice
...but I understand.

Zima,

for the fifth time. people that want to be willfully ignorant of history and feel entitled to reparations might be angry at me and others that might have arguments against it but that doesnt mean they should be allowed to creat alt accounts dedicated to harrass me.

FfaerieOxide,
@FfaerieOxide@kbin.social avatar

I get it; you're racist. You don't have to keep trying to get me to believe that; I am more than convinced.

Zima,

no you don't get it. you are entitled to believe that people that don't agree with you are facist or racists. but that doesnt mean you can create alt accounts to harrass them.

FfaerieOxide,
@FfaerieOxide@kbin.social avatar

but that doesnt mean you can create alt accounts to harrass them.
reply

What does that have to do with me, a person who hasn't made any alt accounts to harass you?

Zima,

you are replying to a thread about that topic. isn't that obvious?

FfaerieOxide,
@FfaerieOxide@kbin.social avatar

I reply to alot of topics I see posted here.

What does replying to a home page topic have to do with creating burner account to downvote someone, something I haven't done?

It seems you're feeling powerless because you don't know who this FuckZima is and you're sublimating that negative feeling into lashing out at those around you and in absence of the ability to affect FuckZima in any way downvoting bereavement blessings.

I don't care if you downvote every other post I've ever made—I'll link them to you—but that one was cold.

What if they guy think you hate his dead father being remembered instead of having beef with me?

AmidFuror,

The whole post is about creating an account for the sole purpose of harassing another user. Your opinions on this thread relate to that topic.

Sheesh.

FfaerieOxide,
@FfaerieOxide@kbin.social avatar

Which I never did but as another poster in this thread said I can see why someone would.

The OP complaining is a racist shithead.

Zima,

The discussion is public so it’s plain to anyone that this is how you classify anyone that doesn’t have your views. So your bullshit accusations just means “you don’t agree with me and you have arguments I don’t like”. You forgot to call me a fascist.

FfaerieOxide,
@FfaerieOxide@kbin.social avatar

Don't you have a "sorry your dad died" post to downvote, like you claim is bad form to do?

janabuggs,

For what it’s worth I can also see why a bored person would fuck with them especially after seeing this comment thread. They certainly aren’t likeable and are clearly easily baited.

janabuggs,

Omg this entire thread is incredible.

FaceDeer, (edited )
@FaceDeer@kbin.social avatar

Yeah, I commented once earlier today and then just now popped back in to see if anything significant had been added, and wow, FfaeriOxide just cannot let go of this. It's just so totally obvious who Zima's "stalker" is at this point it's hilarious.

FfaerieOxide,
@FfaerieOxide@kbin.social avatar

I'm really disappointed you think I would be that transparent to make a burner then post in a thread about it using my real account.

If I wanted to fuck with Zima clandestinely I would do a much better job of it than that.

I think Zima is a racist and a nincompoop, but I never downvoted anyone with a burner.

FaceDeer,
@FaceDeer@kbin.social avatar

And even now he feels the need to throw in some shots at Zima, as if that's what this thread has ever been about.

FfaerieOxide,
@FfaerieOxide@kbin.social avatar

This whole thread has been a racist throwing a hissyfit.

For someone who claims others can't let things go, it's interesting you felt the need to "pop back in" to slander someone you don't know with falsehoods.

Really disappointed with you, sis.

FaceDeer,
@FaceDeer@kbin.social avatar

I'm devastated.

FfaerieOxide,
@FfaerieOxide@kbin.social avatar

If only you were quiet, too.

BaldProphet,
@BaldProphet@kbin.social avatar

Er... Are you suggesting that it's okay to harass someone you disagree with? That's pretty toxic, my guy.

FfaerieOxide,
@FfaerieOxide@kbin.social avatar

Would you mind showing me where I said that?

I think you'll see I explicitly didn't condone the behavior OP accused "FuckZima" of and then proceeded to engage in themself.

BaldProphet,
@BaldProphet@kbin.social avatar

By dismissing OPs concerns about harassment and suggesting OP is at fault because their opinions "suck", you are suggesting that OP is at fault for having the wrong opinions, and thus deserving any harassment they receive.

FfaerieOxide,
@FfaerieOxide@kbin.social avatar

Don't you have a pirate ghost you can be worshiping right now?

DarkThoughts,

I'm gonna ignore the arguing in this thread and focus on the main question, which imo the answer is to just ignore it. If the guy wants to waste his time downvoting you then let him waste his time. Those points are meaningless and have no effect on anything. So the worst you can do is waste your own time on him. Just block them and their accounts and go on with your life.

minnieo,
@minnieo@kbin.social avatar

There needs to be a dedicated place to report this stuff, cause posting a thread about it publicly isn't helpful

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