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LanternEverywhere, in Is Blocking Ever Going To Block?

Aside from you getting notifications when they reply, i think all the rest is how blocking works on all internet forums (as opposed to social media sites). Like if you block someone on Reddit i believe they can still see your posts, you just don't see theirs.

FfaerieOxide,
@FfaerieOxide@kbin.social avatar

That is incredibly unuseful as a way to curate how and who all can interact with you.

The way blocking seems to currently work is to the benefit of trolls & sealions.

It would be well improved as a feature were blocked accounts unable to see or reply to posts or profiles of accounts that have them blocked.

LanternEverywhere,

I disagree. On a public forum no one should be able to control what content i see and what content i don't see. If you're going around saying bullshit in a public forum, i should be able to see that, and i should be able to post a public reply refuting your bullshit. Otherwise people could post bullshit and block everyone from replying who would show that their post is bullshit. You shouldn't get to block people from rebutting your claims.

EDIT:

Though i could see the usefulness of an automatic tag on their comment saying "the OP has blocked this user, so OP doesn't see this post."

FfaerieOxide,
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I disagree in turn with you.

If someone is harassing me and not engaging in good faith, I should be able to disengage from them and hide myself from their view.

If I was talking to someone in a park and a third person joined the conversation that's fine. If that person starts being an annoying asshole, I should be able to walk away from the harassment while still maintaining my conversation. Accepting harassment is not a requirement to talk to people, and I should not have to accept harassment from whomever wants to fuck with me for the privilege of talking to people who aren't harassing me.

I also don't consider a site where people shitpost memes to be needing the same "public forum" protections of say a town hall meeting or a politician's official communications.

"Open air free-for-alls" as I am reading you seem to prefer tend also to drive out people with marginalized identities as they leave them open to harassment people from dominate groups members do not get subjected to for just existing.

Further, there is no moral or technical reason a person should not be able to send out a message to "Everyone in the world except for Tom when he is logged in—because fuck that guy."

Gordon_Freeman,
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If that person starts being an annoying asshole, I should be able to walk away from the harassment while still maintaining my conversation

Except for the notification part, that is how blocking works currently.

If someone is harassing you, just block that person, you won't see any content created by that person, while you can maintain communication with the rest

FfaerieOxide,
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They shouldn't be able to eavesdrop on my conversation, nor take part in it.

I should be able to speak to Everybody But Tom if I so wish, and Tom should not be able to butt into the conversation.

Gordon_Freeman,
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So you want to forbid people to speak to other people because you say so? That's really selfish, to say the least

If you want to maintain private conversations, use private messages. The rest is public

FfaerieOxide,
@FfaerieOxide@kbin.social avatar

Yes, I want to forbid people to speak to me or take part in my conversations because I say so.

I, selfishly, do not wish to be harassed or have my conversations derailed by bad actors.

If people are free to make their own threads and own claims, why do they need "the right" to butt into and derail mine?

If you want to maintain private conversations, use private messages. The rest is public

It doesn't have to be. There is no reason I should not be able to speak to "everyone accept for people I designate" (Tom).

Gordon_Freeman,
@Gordon_Freeman@kbin.social avatar

Yes, I want to forbid people to speak to me

Well, block that people. Currently blocking is working as intended (except for the already mentioned notifications that is either a bug or an overlook). You block them and they can speak to you. The End

FfaerieOxide,
@FfaerieOxide@kbin.social avatar

If they can still see what I post, then blocking is not working as optimally as it could.

(And since their replies—that they should not be able to make—still show up in my notifications, then it isn't even working the way you say it does.)

oldGregg,

Not true. You could respond to someone on reddit and they could not respond back. People abused this to get the last word in arguments

e569668, in Blocking any domain seems to make certain stuff disappear
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This seems to be a popular topic today, I imagine it must be getting worse for kbin.social users (the errors when posting threads / images, if it is that)

I made this issue for what you described https://codeberg.org/Kbin/kbin-core/issues/1019

@ernest sorry to ping you but just want to make sure you're aware of this as the last ~4+ posts to this magazine have been about this issue

Montagge, in /kbin Issues
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I can't see pinned posts at the moment. It seems like I can see them if I log out. I can't seem to find a setting that would cause this that I could have changed to cause it.

ninbreaker, in kbin Login bug fixed?

Still broken

wafer, in /kbin Issues

Why are comment threads no longer indented further than 2 indentations? I can't tell when someone is replying to the parent comment or one of its replies anymore...

RoundSparrow,

Testing, 1..2

RoundSparrow,

Testing, 1..2..3

RoundSparrow,

Testing 1..2...B

RoundSparrow,

Testing 1..2...B

This is a reply, now 1..2...B 3

RoundSparrow,

Why are comment threads no longer indented further than 2 indentations?

That seems to be the behavior of 'classic view'. Change to 'tree view'?

wafer,

Thanks! I didn't notice that setting changed and where to find it. That did the trick.

Jaysyn, in /kbin Issues
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I shouldn't be seeing blocked Magazines in my Random Links sidebar.

clb92, in /kbin Issues
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We're experiencing so many federation issues, I think. There's much less content in the communities/magazines I subscribe to when I browse them from Kbin, and in some I only see very old posts :(

rosatherad, in /kbin Issues
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Not being able to post due to errors is annoying. I can't post anything!

PugJesus, in /kbin Issues
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I can't post but I can comment. It keeps giving me the error page. Other people seem to still be able to post on Kbin - anyone have any insight into this problem?

BaldProphet,
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Kbin seems to be breaking down lately. I haven't been able to read notifications for over a week.

FfaerieOxide,
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Was wondering what happened to your flood of posts. Guess the error is not local to me.

I just confirmed it's not just images I can't upload.
Even text threads do that thing where "We're Working On The Error" comes up and a phantom thread no one but you can see shows up on your profile.

As you say though, other threads origination on kbin.social are showing up so some posters are managing to get though?

BaldProphet, in /kbin Issues
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Is anyone else unable to view notifications anymore? https://kbin.social/settings/notifications leads to an "Error 50x" message.

Peruvian_Skies,
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This is still an issue for me. I have not been participating because I can't see notifications.

density, in How does kbin deal with bigots?
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I think "block them and move on" is a good way to treat it excessive posts about spiderman or eyeliner or flashlight reviews.

But that attitude misunderstands the problem with bigoted posting.

It isn't that is does direct harm to "offended" viewers. It's that it spread shitty, wrong views to passive, opinionated viewers. Anyone who would block is not the target audience anyway. And some of us who would block need to keep an eye on what's going on.

Evirisu, in /kbin Issues
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I visited a post with 130 comments in which I participated before. None of the comments show up and I don't know why. It's not the first time that this happens. Am I doing something wrong? I'm browsing from Firefox mobile.

cacheson, in How do I know which instances kbin is/is NOT Federated With?
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Pretty sure this isn't currently possible. I've created a feature request on kbin's issue tracker for it.

cacheson,
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And there's a pull request for it already. That was quick.

yukichigai,
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Supposedly it's been rolled out but the proposed URL doesn't seem to be enabled on this instance (https://kbin.social/federation).

cacheson,
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Yeah, we haven't had an update in a while. Apparently the next one is going to be pretty big. Ernest said he's aiming for the end of September, but I'm assuming that may slip.

Fitik, in Are TERF-centric magazines allowed on this insurance?
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@ernest You should look into that, how is it allowed?

DarkThoughts,

I've already sent him a PM about that user & magazine a while ago. Still waiting and hoping to hear / see something.

Edit: I also think this is kinda disappointing. Kbin immediately defederated from nsfwlemmy over some bullshit allegations that weren't even true. Meanwhile this and other examples of toxicity remain to fester directly on this instance.

Fitik,
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Agree, I don't like defederating, why defederate from instance if you can just block it (There on kbin)

BasicTraveler,

Any time I tried to get someone to check out Reddit, I hated having to preface it with, oh and you're going to want to block these 30 subs, they're horrible, and here's another 100 that are kinda gross, I'll email you my list......

There's stuff to block, but there's stuff that should be banned too. I remember recommending some of the SQL reddits to coworkers just weeks before the jailbait crap hit the national news. It's up to ernest how he wants to run this place, but I hope we don't let the bar go too low.

10A, in Are TERF-centric magazines allowed on this insurance?

I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall fight to the death to defend your right to say it.

When you ban people, you tell them to go form an echo chamber where they'll flourish.

A more intelligent approach is to imitate Daryl Davis, who has convinced hundreds of KKK members to leave the KKK, simply by respectfully talking with them.

You might actually learn a thing or two in the process.

Erikatharsis,
@Erikatharsis@kbin.social avatar

For every Daryl Davis who can successfully talk down 100 Klansmen, you'll find 100 Black people begging for their lives trying to reason with the Klan in their last moments. For every thought of "I can fix them!" that you may have, you have to weigh that against how many more people you'll need to fix if you platform their ideas and treat them as something worth "respectfully debating".

Convincing people to leave hate groups is a great thing to do, but if respectful debate were effective on the large scale, and we have no shortage of people respectfully arguing that hate is a bad thing, why is the far right a bigger threat now than it was ten years ago? Do not tolerate the intolerant, do not debate the undebatable, do not respect the unrespectable.

10A,

The "far right" is growing because the left keeps moving further left, and normal people realize they're now considered conservative.

If you want an echo chamber, go on and kick me out. You reap what you sow.

Deceptichum,
@Deceptichum@kbin.social avatar

What insane version of reality are you living in?

Globally the Overton window has shifted drastically right these past few decades.

Not too long ago leftists were holding ceos hostage and fighting armed conflicts, it’s so watered down people think someone like Bernie Sanders is a radical communist when he’s basically centrist.

czech,
@czech@kbin.social avatar

You sound like you've never argued with fascists online.

They only exist in echo chambers, anyway, and do not debate in good faith. There is nothing similar to what Daryl Davis did except in the most superficial way possible. Go visit /r/conservative and you might actually learn a thing or two.

10A,

I was active in r/Conservative, and here I'm the primary contributer to m/Conservative. Hi, nice to meet you. When I'm engaged in arguments involving the word "fascist", it's rarely me using that word (unless we're literally discussing Mussolini), and usually me who's called that for favoring levelheaded conservative principles. I enjoy mutually respectful debate, but I find most others prefer to fearfully call me a "fascist," downvote everything I've ever written, block me, and walk away feeling sanctimonious.

Deceptichum,
@Deceptichum@kbin.social avatar

You were active in the biggest alt-right safe space echo chamber in all of reddit? Colour me surprised.

Xariphon,

I was active in r/Conservative, and here I'm the primary contributer to m/Conservative.

This is already a point at which you should go home and rethink your life. Everything else you've said only digs the hole deeper.

czech,
@czech@kbin.social avatar

That's a hilarious turn; my statement was meant to be rhetorical. But you really have never argued with fascists!

And I never said YOU were fascist... but I guess that doesn't fit with your canned response then, huh?

10A,

Fascists haven't existed since 25 Luglio in 1943. You can find a tiny number of exceptions over the years, but as a broad statement it's true. I'm not old enough to have argued with fascists, and I bet you're not either.

czech,
@czech@kbin.social avatar

Fascism:

a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

Yea wow, we've never seen that in the last 7 years!

I can see I really triggered you with that word. It's hilarious that you self-identified with it and got defensive.

10A,

It certainly does sound like typical leftists if you squint. Everyone in this thread opposing free speech is an authoritarian. But if you actually read that definition word for word, it's a position almost nobody supports. What's more, the definition has been changed from the original political affiliation. I'm not surprised Miriam-Webster's open to redefining words, but try as they might, words still mean what they originally meant. Still, their definition is close enough to the original to demonstrate my point that there are no fascists left, unless you squint and look at modern leftists.

czech,
@czech@kbin.social avatar

Ah, right- There are no fascists but if there are it's the leftists! Thanks for a good laugh today. Don't ever let facts get in your way, bud.

10A,

Hmm, let's break it down:

a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti)

Could be leftists, conservatives, or any other political group.

that exalts nation and often race above the individual

Well that excludes conservatives, because conservatism celebrates rugged individualism.

Leftism, by contrast, embraces groups above individualism. This is what conservatives usually refer to as neo-Marxism. It's also known as identity politics. It's this idea that we're all members of a group, and that group gives us our identity. Then with intersectionality, you have multiple groups defining identity.

Two caveats:

  1. Christians are the exception to the rule, where many conservatives do embrace an identity that can be defined as a group.
  2. Leftists do exalt groups above the individual, but those groups are not normally the nation (at least not in the US).

and that stands for a centralized autocratic government

Yes, in general, conservatives support small government, while leftists prefer government regulations over private business, government handouts for the poor, government taxation of the wealthy, and government control of every little thing in life — basically big government.

Centralized? In the US, centralized means federal control whereas decentralized means State and local control. Leftists generally prefer the former, whereas conservatives generally prefer the latter.

headed by a dictatorial leader

Not applicable in the US, but I wouldn't put it past the Left in the near future.

severe economic and social regimentation,

Yep, see this thread for instance. Leftist love regimented control over what we're allowed to think, and they love silencing the opposition.

and forcible suppression of opposition

Oh, you mean like when Biden has his primary opponent, Trump, tied up in court with accusations and a threat of imprisonment? Or, you mean like this very thread where leftists are trying to silence the TERFs? Yes, leftists absolutely love the forcible suppression of their opposition.

In conclusion, no, it's not a perfect fit for leftists, but it's loosely close — and it certainly doesn't fit conservatives even slightly.

czech,
@czech@kbin.social avatar

Great theory, but lets take a look at reality.

that exalts nation and often race above the individual

Have you heard of MAGA?

and that stands for a centralized autocratic government

While Trump announced he "plans to eliminate executive branch constraints on his power if he is elected president in 2024"

headed by a dictatorial leader

See the last point..

and forcible suppression of opposition

Like Jan 6th.

You can't just make up whatever you want when you're not in /r/conservative. You are constrained by reality. Nobody is here to delete my posts and ban me for you.

10A,

Yes, well the MAGA crowd isn't very conservative if you ask me, and personally I support DeSantis. I think Democrats are strongly pushing for a Trump nomination because they know he's unelectable, and it's an easy play.

But to your point, I concede that most people do consider MAGA to be right wing, and that Trump has on several occasions said things suggesting he'd like an autocracy. I think we can agree that'd be undesirable. I just don't think it's very conservative.

Like Jan 6th.

All that was, was a group of jaded voters who believed (rightly or wrongly) that there was election fraud. Personally I see no evidence of fraud substantial enough to change the election. But at the same time, I recognize that for someone who truly did believe there was election fraud, they were upset and they wanted to protest about it. That's all it was — a protest that was legitimate based on what they believed.

You are constrained by reality. Nobody is here to delete my posts and ban me for you.

And I'm glad about that, 100%. I wouldn't want you banned.

But back to the definition, you can't just pluck a couple of words out of there and say it's a match. The whole definition fits the left way better than the right, and yet in truth doesn't fit either completely.

danhakimi,
@danhakimi@kbin.social avatar

"lol, I hate the main conservative group in the US because they're not the right kind of Scotsman conservative. Instead, I love the guy who been pushing the most extreme book-banning policy in the US."

did you forget that this was a conversation about fascism when you brought DeSantis up, or do you not know who he is?

(rightly or wrongly)

lol no

But at the same time, I recognize that for someone who truly did believe there was election fraud

who do you think tricked them into believing that? or do you think it was all one massive coincidence?

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