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jerry, in Fedia.io is now operating behind Fastly CDN
@jerry@fedia.io avatar

and there was much rejoicing!

MHLoppy,
@MHLoppy@fedia.io avatar

Oh man I got sniped by less than two minutes!

MHLoppy, in Welcome to Japan
@MHLoppy@fedia.io avatar

/m/fedia is sort of like announcements and discussion for fedia.io itself, not so much for general discussions. You can use Lemmy Explorer to find communities that might be more relevant, though unfortunately it doesn't currently seem to index mbin, just lemmy and some old kbin stuff.

tiredofsametab, in Fedia.io instability

I've noticed recently that I'm getting errors trying to vote on any posts in a discussion I've had open for more than maybe a minute (I haven't actually timed it). I don't remember it from before these issues, but I also switched to this instance just before. Might it be related?

jerry,
@jerry@fedia.io avatar

It is possible. I will investigate and work on a fix

tiredofsametab,

Thanks. Let me know if there's anything I can do to help

melroy,
@melroy@kbin.melroy.org avatar

Let me know if I can help too.

tiredofsametab,

It might only be with certain instances. I just noticed it wasn't happening on a lemmy.world post I'd had open for a while. It could also have been something temporary. I'll try to sport/report any patterns.

tiredofsametab,

This always fails for me: https://fedia.io/ecf/7236913?choice=1

Normally, if I refresh a page once and immediately vote, it works. In this case, it has never worked.

This happens periodically and it does not seem to be specific to any instance (I've seen across posts from several both in terms of the OP or the instance of the commenter).

My gut says potentially issues with timezone somewhere and my offset (UTC+9) is potentially far enough out that it's an issue. I have no evidence for that. Looking at the request and response in dev tools hasn't yielded anything particularly useful so far as I can tell.

melroy,
@melroy@kbin.melroy.org avatar

We need server error logs. So when such a problem happens. And you can fully replicate the issue. I hope you can test it with @jerry and see if there is some error log at the server side happening as well.

That allows us (developers) to find hopefully the root-cause of this issue. If it's still present.

jerry,
@jerry@fedia.io avatar

I moved fedia.io away from fastly. I have a nagging feeling it has something to do with fastly. Can you let me know if you continue to see this?

melroy,
@melroy@kbin.melroy.org avatar

I found:

[2024-09-12T20:42:54.414611+02:00] request.ERROR: Uncaught PHP Exception SymfonyComponentHttpKernelExceptionBadRequestHttpException: "Invalid CSRF token" at AbstractController.php line 39 {"exception":"[object] (Symfony\Component\HttpKernel\Exception\BadRequestHttpException(code: 0): Invalid CSRF token at /var/www/kbin.melroy.org/html/src/Controller/AbstractController.php:39)
[stacktrace]
#0 /var/www/kbin.melroy.org/html/src/Controller/FavouriteController.php(24): App\Controller\AbstractController->validateCsrf()
#1 /var/www/kbin.melroy.org/html/vendor/symfony/http-kernel/HttpKernel.php(183): App\Controller\FavouriteController->__invoke()
#2 /var/www/kbin.melroy.org/html/vendor/symfony/http-kernel/HttpKernel.php(76): Symfony\Component\HttpKernel\HttpKernel->handleRaw()
#3 /var/www/kbin.melroy.org/html/vendor/symfony/http-kernel/Kernel.php(182): Symfony\Component\HttpKernel\HttpKernel->handle()
#4 /var/www/kbin.melroy.org/html/vendor/symfony/runtime/Runner/Symfony/HttpKernelRunner.php(35): Symfony\Component\HttpKernel\Kernel->handle()
#5 /var/www/kbin.melroy.org/html/vendor/autoload_runtime.php(29): Symfony\Component\Runtime\Runner\Symfony\HttpKernelRunner->run()
#6 /var/www/kbin.melroy.org/html/public/index.php(7): require_once('...')
#7 {main}
"} []

And you found:

{"message":"Uncaught PHP Exception Symfony\Component\HttpKernel\Exception\BadRequestHttpException: "Invalid CSRF token" at AbstractController.php line 39","context":{"exception":{"class":"Symfony\Component\HttpKernel\Exception\BadRequestHttpException","message":"Invalid CSRF token","code":0,"file":"/var/www/mbin/src/Controller/AbstractController.php:39"}},"level":400,"level_name":"ERROR","channel":"request","datetime":"2024-09-12T18:54:45.620576+00:00","extra":{}}
{"message":"Uncaught PHP Exception Symfony\Component\HttpKernel\Exception\BadRequestHttpException: "Invalid CSRF token" at AbstractController.php line 39","context":{"exception":{"class":"Symfony\Component\HttpKernel\Exception\BadRequestHttpException","message":"Invalid CSRF token","code":0,"file":"/var/www/mbin/src/Controller/AbstractController.php:39"}},"level":400,"level_name":"ERROR","channel":"request","datetime":"2024-09-12T18:54:45.803347+00:00","extra":{}}

Not sure yet what the root-cause is. But it's on our radar now.

tiredofsametab,

Y'all are great. Feel free to ask if you need me to try anything. I haven't touched PHP in years, but I am a software engineer, so feel free to be as technical as you'd like.

melroy, (edited )
@melroy@kbin.melroy.org avatar

We can definitively use more developers. We are currently with only two: me and bentigorlich (recently debounced left as well as e-five). I also didn't use Symfony (the PHP framework behind it), but I now also got those skills in place.. So no worries, we are happy to help you. You can join us at Matrix, so it's easier to chat and discuss: Mbin Matrix space. I hope to see you there!

EDIT: GitHub repo is at: https://github.com/MbinOrg/mbin

melroy,
@melroy@kbin.melroy.org avatar

Sorry you also went through this: -> kbin.social (died) -> kbin.run (died) -> fedia. Kbin.run was the instance of debounced, mentioned earlier..

jerry,
@jerry@fedia.io avatar

This annoys me about the fediverse - people take a chance on coming here and then repeatedly get left in the dark when their instance is shut down. That's why I was so very happy when you and others helped me get fedia.io back to healthy.

melroy,
@melroy@kbin.melroy.org avatar

Agreed. This is also why I didn't (yet) rename kbin.melroy.org to mbin.melroy.org. And also created: https://github.com/MbinOrg/mbin/issues/1126

tiredofsametab,

Still getting it very frequently. Sometimes no amount of refreshing will allow me to vote on something. Here's the latest URL: https://fedia.io/ef/1184232?choice=1

melroy,
@melroy@kbin.melroy.org avatar

For now try Firefox or a fork: Floorp, LibreWolf, etc. I heard that works better.. I know this isn't the solution, but that is the best workaround atm.

jerry,
@jerry@fedia.io avatar

Most interesting: the problem had only been happening on MS Edge on my laptop. I have been using safari on my phone without issue. Just a bit ago, i refreshed the page and now every time I revisit the site, I have to log back in, just like on Edge. It’s like the old session expired and the new ones aren’t sticking. I’ll try FF on my phone.

Note: even in the time I started typing this reply to when I hit the “add comment” button, I got logged out

melroy,
@melroy@kbin.melroy.org avatar

Note: even in the time I started typing this reply to when I hit the “add comment” button, I got logged out

That is really bad indeed. And the only error you see on the server side is only "Invalid CSRF token"?

jerry,
@jerry@fedia.io avatar

I have so many errors in prod.log that it's hard to tell for certain, but when I try to filter out those that are associated with failed federation events, that seems to be when I'm left with. I am trying again to see if I can confirm

melroy,
@melroy@kbin.melroy.org avatar

Do you have 2FA enabled?

jerry,
@jerry@fedia.io avatar

I do not have 2fa active at the moment

jerry,
@jerry@fedia.io avatar

I do not have 2fa turned on right now.

melroy,
@melroy@kbin.melroy.org avatar

OK, that rules out at least the 2FA code. Thanks for letting me know. So what is your password ;P?

jerry,
@jerry@fedia.io avatar

Indeed. I am trying to get it to happen again now that I’ve got the logs filtered down to a manageable level.

melroy,
@melroy@kbin.melroy.org avatar

If you want to know.. We did try to clean-up all those errors/warnings from the log and fix some of the issues in the main branch: https://github.com/MbinOrg/mbin/commits/main/.. We are not there yet obviously. But 1.7.x is now focusing on making Mbin more stable. @BentiGorlich is helping out as well here.

jerry,
@jerry@fedia.io avatar

ok - I just had it happen again while looking at logs. interestingly, there was NOT a CSRF log when that happened. There were a bunch of other errors, but enough that I could look through all of them and see that they were all related to activitypub issues - signaturevalidator and the like

melroy,
@melroy@kbin.melroy.org avatar

I really hope it's not a session issue with Valkey or something (I don't think so..). We are now just going deep into this issue I think. Both sessions & csrf. Since I notice already some weird config issues with csrf forms

melroy,
@melroy@kbin.melroy.org avatar

FYI. Reading: https://symfony.com/doc/7.2/security/csrf.html#installation

The tokens used for CSRF protection are meant to be different for every user and they are stored in the session. That's why a session is started automatically as soon as you render a form with CSRF protection.

Moreover, this means that you cannot fully cache pages that include CSRF protected forms. As an alternative, you can:

  • Embed the form inside an uncached ESI fragment and cache the rest of the page contents;
  • Cache the entire page and load the form via an uncached AJAX request;
  • Cache the entire page and use hinclude.js to load the CSRF token with an uncached AJAX request and replace the form field value with it.
melroy,
@melroy@kbin.melroy.org avatar

So we might cache too much in Mbin.. Including the comments (vote forms)... oopsy?

melroy,
@melroy@kbin.melroy.org avatar

Or remove.. CSRF protection and keep the cache.. It's a trade-off.. @jerry How much protection does CSRF on these forms really gives the user? I'm "just" the software engineer, you are the SecOps expert here... I mean how likely is it really that sites are doing a Cross-Site Request Forgery ...

jerry,
@jerry@fedia.io avatar

it's hard to make a blanket statement, because it depends on the details of the application. CSRF attacks are definitely real and common, but using csrf tokens isn't critical in every application. For example, I think we have CORS headers enabled, I don't think we have functionality that allows embedded iframes, but we do allow links - if we have administrative functions that can be triggered solely with GET parameters, then someone could trick an administrator into doing something that caused damage by clicking on a link in a post. The only one that would obviously work that I can see is "logout", which would be annoying, but not world ending, and would work for everyone, not just administrators.

melroy,
@melroy@kbin.melroy.org avatar

Thanks. I see. I do see the importance for login & logout forms having CSRF. But it does seems a bit overkill to have it on upvotes, boost and alike.. I could be wrong.

tiredofsametab,

I only use Firefox at this time, so that shouldn't be it.

melroy,
@melroy@kbin.melroy.org avatar

Could you join the conversation here? https://github.com/MbinOrg/mbin/pull/1130. We really are trying hard to debug this issue. Both CSRF form issue as well as log out issue.

tiredofsametab,

Will do. This morning I have work to do outside.

I will also note that there are three patterns when I post a comment that may or may not be related:

  • it just publishes when I hit the button
  • I hit the button, it thinks for a second, and then the button is intractable again. Pushing it again works so far in every case (i.e. it seems something goes wrong but no UI error. I haven't had dev tools open to see what happens there. This feels like it took to long for me to reply in some cases, but not all).
  • I hit post and get moved to a new page which is just my post with a preview. I'm not sure if this is just how it works with certain sites or something or also related.
tiredofsametab, in How do I change default sort in threads?

Seconded. I would rather default sort by old and read discussions in order and manually switch to new if/when I come back to the same discussion later.

japan, in Fedia.io instability

What is better FEDIA or MBIN or CATSWEAT?

originalucifer,
@originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com avatar

mbin is the platform that both sites utilize. fedia.io is the most popular, and i would argue the flagship mbin installation.

i am building moist.catsweat.com as a stable counterpart to distribute the load, maybe add a little irreverence to the fediverse.

jerry, in How do I change default sort in threads?
@jerry@fedia.io avatar

I am not aware of a way - but that seems like a good feature request

Treedrake,
@Treedrake@fedia.io avatar

Absolutely

Bookmeat, in How do I change default sort in threads?

Hahaha hahaha!

Threads....

Hahaha 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Good luck!

Treedrake,
@Treedrake@fedia.io avatar

Huh? I'm not talking about the Meta "Threads". I'm talking about threads, posts like this.

Bookmeat,

My bad. Sorry.

ciferecaNinjo, in Fedia.io instability

I noticed that when I visit my profile page (https://fedia.io/u/ciferecaNinjo) while logged out, I get a 504 gateway error, but if I login then my profile page renders fine. It has been this way the past few days. If I view my profile from a logged-out browser while logged in in another browser, the logged out browser sees the profile fine. So to reproduce it would be interesting to visit anyone’s profile who is logged out.

jerry,
@jerry@fedia.io avatar

That sounds like a recently introduced bug. I’ll report it.

ciferecaNinjo,

Thanks!

Apparently it’s not as reproduceable as I thought. I was just now able to render my profile before logging in.

jerry,
@jerry@fedia.io avatar

Fedia is still having some stability issues. I set up some automation to detect the problem and then restart the services. If you were to look at that page while the services were restarting, you will see that error

jerry, in High rate of HTTP 5XX errors in the past day or so.
@jerry@fedia.io avatar

Please let me know if you continue to see this problem n

subignition,
@subignition@fedia.io avatar

Hello, I have stopped seeing errors in general browsing, but today I am having some difficulty loading some of the most-commented threads. Not sure if this is related to the earlier PHP issues. Let me know if you'd prefer I report this on the Mbin GitHub instead.

Some links that have given me a 504:
https://fedia.io/m/news@lemmy.world/t/1004338/Joe-Biden-ends-re-election-campaign#comments (925 comments at time of posting)
https://fedia.io/m/fediverse@lemmy.world/t/455919/Dear-server-admins-please-defederate-threads-net-Dear-users-ask-your#comments (800 comments)
https://fedia.io/m/196@lemmy.blahaj.zone/t/571243/Games-rule#comments (746 comments)
https://fedia.io/m/lemmyshitpost@lemmy.world/t/940677/Stay-Mad-Tankies#comments (733 comments)
https://fedia.io/m/politicalmemes@lemmy.world/t/662988/Please-for-the-love-of-God-VOTE#comments (714 comments)

Some links that are loading normally:
https://fedia.io/m/xkcd@lemmy.world/t/910467/xkcd-2948-Electric-vs-Gas#comments (711 comments)
https://fedia.io/m/politicalmemes@lemmy.world/t/572624/Something-something-Biden-bad#comments (706 comments)

jerry, in High rate of HTTP 5XX errors in the past day or so.
@jerry@fedia.io avatar

Please let me know if you continue to see this problem n

jerry, in Can't access fedia.io from certain mobile ISP
@jerry@fedia.io avatar

Can you shoot me the IP address(es) you are assigned? I will see if there is some reason the firewall would be blocking them. Beyond that, I am guessing Orange is doing something to filter it

BlackLaZoR,
@BlackLaZoR@fedia.io avatar

Hi, sent you a PM with IPs

BlackLaZoR,
@BlackLaZoR@fedia.io avatar

Hello, just for an update: Fedia works fine even from that mobile ISP now.

jerry, in High rate of HTTP 5XX errors in the past day or so.
@jerry@fedia.io avatar

The recent version seems to cause PHP to off into space somewhat frequently. I am working to mitigate it - which will likely, at least for a while, require me to restart the services every few hours until we can figure out what the actual cause is.

DarkThoughts, in Fedia.io upgraded to mbin 1.7.1-rc1 + important note about streaming updates

Embedded videos finally stop & unload when you close them!

bacon_saber, in Unplanned downtime

Commenting here due to the timing of the issue: looks like no new posts have come in from federated instances for about 3 hours?

jerry,
@jerry@fedia.io avatar

Thanks for reporting that - I am working to fix it - not sure what is going on yet

jerry, in * Fixed : Ever since this past weekends fedia.io downtime/upgrade can't post photo post to lemmy shitpost
@jerry@fedia.io avatar

Ok, I think the problem is fixed now.

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