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msdropbear42, in Closing registrations in Fedia.io due to spammers

@jerry

Being a slow peep, & also not previously paying any attention to / til last week, i then "discovered" Fedia.io [having no idea at all it was another of your babies]. As i read thru the various admin info for users pages, i thought "hey, this all seems quite familiar, has someone copied Jerry's words from `infosec.exchange'?" Then, soon after, i realised my ignorance. I've not yet tried to sign up coz i still dunno if i "need" it, alongside / instead of my existing & Masto accounts, but clearly based on your post here, if i do later decide to try it, i'll need to remember this new status.

jerry,
@jerry@fedia.io avatar

Howdy! Mbin (and lemmy) are very different things. It’s sort of like the difference between Twitter and Reddit. You can sort of interact back and forth, but to get the full experience, you have to either be on a lemmy or mbin (or piefed) instance.

msdropbear42,

@jerry Fair enough. Any "decision" i end up making on this is a low-priority thing, but from my initial looking at your instance the other night, i suspect i'm prolly leaning towards not bothering... not as any slight against your fine work, but simply coz i'm not sure that i like the UI & its tools [compared to Friendica & even Masto]. Also, given that as a lot of my posts, & fav interlocutors' posts, regard , my initial keyword search for that there were rather underwhelming.

DarkThoughts,

You don't search for hashtags on a content aggregator like this (Lemmy itself didn't even support hashtags until very recently), but for communities / magazines that fit your needs that you subscribe to for a more personalized feed (I'd use external search tools to find communities though, as mbin's magazine search can only find what's already federated) - or just browse /all and let whatever is federated hit you.

melroy, in Closing registrations in Fedia.io due to spammers
@melroy@kbin.melroy.org avatar

I know it's not ideal, but I fully understand the whole situation. Let's focus on making Mbin better for the existing users who are now experiencing CSRF or log-out problems. Hopefully after that, we can focus on improving anti-spam (since hcaptcha is not preventing any spam accounts for some unknown reason).

melroy,
@melroy@kbin.melroy.org avatar

Maybe even considering additional an optional question? With only 1 correct answer. Or maybe even enforce 2FA.. I dunno.. But spam is getting out of control. Coincidence due to the rise of LLMs? Who knows. But anti-spam like hCaptcha, even set to "difficult" doesn't seem to cut it anymore...

jerry,
@jerry@fedia.io avatar

What works for me on both mastodon and Lemmy is a free text question: why do you want to join?

The user enters whatever they like and it goes into a moderation queue. Both lemmy and mastodon send me an email when a new account is ready to review.

I read the response and choose to whether to approve their account. At the moment, spammers are really bad at answering the “why do you want to join” questions.

melroy,
@melroy@kbin.melroy.org avatar

Makes sense as well.

DarkThoughts,

The main thing I experience since the CDN update is that voting often ends up in an error page, similar to how adding comments sometimes directs you to a secondary page (luckily with the comment intact). Going back and trying to vote again may or may not work.

Blaze,
@Blaze@feddit.org avatar

This issue is discussed here: https://fedia.io/m/fedia/t/1101127

DarkThoughts,

I did not have that 3 weeks ago though, and they're not 500s - at least they're not displayed as that. I get pages like this one: https://fedia.io/ecv/7319083/-1

jerry,
@jerry@fedia.io avatar

There were lots of changes around the same time. I removed fedia.io from the CDN a few days ago though didn't announce it, yet the errors continue.

kbal, (edited ) in Possible federation issues?
@kbal@fedia.io avatar

Federation to lemmy.ml is also affected it seems. My post from 7 hours ago just recently got through.

... but I tried another comment now and it did get there no problem, so I guess it got better.

ciferecaNinjo, in Error when voting

wow.. then when I posted the above thread, it responded with “This page isn’t working” and looked like an error msg that was generated by the browser itself. So I reposted. Same thing. Then I discovered that it posted despite the error. So then I deleted the dupe.

all-knight-party, in Error when voting
@all-knight-party@fedia.io avatar

Happens to me a lot. I just refresh the page, try to vote again, and then it works

melroy,
@melroy@kbin.melroy.org avatar

Let's hope not anymore after today...

jerry, in Error when voting
@jerry@fedia.io avatar

It's a known issue - I have been working with @melroy for a while now to resolve. I think we now understand what is happening under the hood, but not yet why it is happening.

melroy,
@melroy@kbin.melroy.org avatar

The fast solution is to remove CSRF from the forms.

melroy, in Error when voting
@melroy@kbin.melroy.org avatar

Let's hope after today you won't have these errors anymore.

melroy, in Please let me know if you continue to see errors with voting on Fedia.io

In this case.. Less comments is better.

DarkThoughts,

I've indeed not encountered any voting issues since.

melroy,

Great!

Nougat, in Possible federation issues?

@jerry Still seems to be a thing.

jerry,
@jerry@fedia.io avatar

Which magazines/communities are you seeing problems with?

Nougat, (edited )

I'll paste you the Fedia and original links to the last comments I've made that don't seem to be federating. The comments are visible at the fedia, but not at the foreign instance. I can see by reviewing these that it appears to be all magazines and all foreign instances, because these are all the comments I've made in the last day or so.


https://fedia.io/m/adhd@lemmy.world/t/1227165/Whats-something-you-constantly-lose-that-you-wish-you-could/comment/7415740#entry-comment-7415740
https://lemmy.world/post/20060021


https://fedia.io/m/microblogmemes@lemmy.world/t/1227104/Someone-please-help-me-process-this/comment/7415619#entry-comment-7415619
https://lemmy.world/post/20059503


https://fedia.io/m/reddit@lemmy.world/t/1226869/AskReddit-is-over-run-by-bots/comment/7413927#entry-comment-7413927
https://feddit.org/post/3085993

(That one was weird, the fedia link says it's at lemmy.world, but the original URL is to feddit.org.)


https://fedia.io/m/usauthoritarianism@lemmy.world/t/1226799/The-Religious-Right-in-the-United-States/comment/7413726#entry-comment-7413726
https://lemmy.world/post/20057279


https://fedia.io/m/bbc@rss.ponder.cat/t/1226610/I-hate-Trump-she-likes-him-we-both-think-he/comment/7413466#entry-comment-7413466
https://rss.ponder.cat/post/30929


https://fedia.io/m/politics@lemmy.world/t/1226131/Lest-We-Forget-the-Horrors-A-Catalog-of-Trump-s-Worst/comment/7413609#entry-comment-7413609
https://lemmy.ml/post/20567316


https://fedia.io/m/science_memes@mander.xyz/t/1224741/Miracles/comment/7403537#entry-comment-7403537
https://mander.xyz/post/18362458


https://fedia.io/m/technology@lemmy.world/t/1224685/Headlamp-tech-that-doesn-t-blind-oncoming-drivers-where-is-it/comment/7403460#entry-comment-7403460
https://lemmy.world/post/20028344

(The commenter I am replying to is also at fedia, does not appear on the original URL either.)


https://fedia.io/m/adhd@lemmy.world/t/1224576/Off-My-Chest-I-just-had-a-very-long-talk/comment/7402820#entry-comment-7402820
https://sh.itjust.works/post/25528947

(Another weird one, fedia URL says lemmy.world, original URL is at sh.itjust.works.)


https://fedia.io/m/futurology@futurology.today/t/1224517/Antarctica-s-Ozone-Hole-Is-Healing-And-Set-To-Recover-Fully/comment/7402980#entry-comment-7402980
https://futurology.today/post/2331006


And finally - the most recent comment I made that was federated:
https://fedia.io/m/news@lemmy.world/t/1219937/Smell-of-burnt-cannabis-alone-no-longer-justifies-a-police/comment/7385698#entry-comment-7385698
https://lemmy.world/post/19982588

Nougat, (edited )

Something unstuck overnight, because this comment (and it appears everything prior to it, based on votes accrued) is federated:

https://fedia.io/m/politics@lemmy.world/t/1228944/Trump-hawks-100-commemorative-coins-in-latest-hunt-for-cash/comment/7422640#entry-comment-7422640
https://lemmy.world/post/20078368


But this one isn't. It is quite recent, and I don't know the intervals for shunting comments off to other instances, so it could be that. Edit ~20 minutes later: This one is also federated.

https://fedia.io/m/news@lemmy.world/t/1229839/Majority-of-voters-say-threat-of-political-violence-will-increase/comment/7426628#entry-comment-7426628
https://lemmy.world/post/20089580

jerry,
@jerry@fedia.io avatar

Outbound federation was indeed broken. I fixed it, but there was a huge backlog the server had to work through, which took about 12 hours to complete. I just checked and everything appears to be working ok. I am going to create some automation that will detect and alert on this (or other issues) happening in the future.

Nougat,

Excellent! What I saw this morning was that comment federation seemed to be taking between 15 and 20 minutes. As before, I don't know what your intervals are, but I figure you could use that data point to verify/validate as necessary.

Thank you!

jerry,
@jerry@fedia.io avatar

there isn't an inteval per se - I don't yet know why it's not immediate. It's possible that the delay is on the receiving side - the server that fedia.io is quite substantial and unless there is some sort of bug, the processing should happen immediately.

Davel23, in does fedia.io federate properly?

I've been noticing a problem too. I've posted on threads from lemmy.world, lemmy.zip, and lemmy.ml and when I check the threads on the home sites my posts do not appear.

testing, (edited )
@testing@fedia.io avatar

just tried to view one of your recent posts from microfedi via sharkey - impossible > otoh, viewing threads from fedia.io posted to lemmy which don't appear at lemmy instances seems to be possible when i use sharkey (both link and thread type)

hitstun, in does fedia.io federate properly?
@hitstun@fedia.io avatar

OK, I'm glad it's not just me. A few days ago, it took about 6 hours to reach Lemmy instances, and a post I made yesterday didn't federate at all.. I was able to get my most recent post to appear on kbin.melroy.org by searching for its fedia.io URL there. I don't think Lemmy has a similar mechanism, though.

jerry, (edited )
@jerry@fedia.io avatar

Do you know whether there are any users on kbin.melroy.org that subscribe to your magazine? If not, that will explain why your post did not show up until you searched for it.

hitstun,
@hitstun@fedia.io avatar

No kbin.melroy.org subscribers that I know of. I don't know where I'd check if I could.

Another Mbin instance kbin.earth federates with us but doesn't have yesterday's post right this second. You can cause that post to federate by clicking here to search kbin.earth for that fedia.io URL. A few seconds after someone clicks that link, the post should appear on kbin.earth.

jerry,
@jerry@fedia.io avatar

I found the problem and the queues are running now. I will make a thread about it.

testing,
@testing@fedia.io avatar

thank you!

jerry, in does fedia.io federate properly?
@jerry@fedia.io avatar

Thank you for the problem report. I will be looking into this later today.

testing, in Fedia.io federation woes
@testing@fedia.io avatar

any guess why visibility on lemmy has been heavily affected, whereas from microfedi things looked normal?

jerry,
@jerry@fedia.io avatar

Not entirely. It looks like the rabbit issue was only impacting one of the queues (“deliver”), though I would have expected that to impact things like microblog too. All I can say with clarity is that the instance was operating in a very unhealthy state.

The queue appears like it’ll take several hours to flush, but it’s working.

testing,
@testing@fedia.io avatar

i salute you!

hitstun, in Fedia.io federation woes
@hitstun@fedia.io avatar

Thank you! A thread I just posted made it to Lemmy instances within 15 minutes. The thread that didn't federate two days ago has found its way there too. Jerry is the best instance admin and Fedia.io is worth paying money for.

jerry,
@jerry@fedia.io avatar

Once it is more reliable, then I’ll agree, but thank you

Davel23, (edited ) in does fedia.io federate properly?

@jerry How long should a message take to propagate? I made a few posts over the last couple of days and they seem to have propagated correctly, but I just made a post on a thread from mander.xyz about 30 minutes ago and it hasn't yet appeared on the host instance.

Edit: Never mind, I was just too impatient. They're there now.

jerry,
@jerry@fedia.io avatar

I am not 100% sure. Fedia.io is running on a beast of a server, and so long as it’s working correctly, it should be able to deliver it instantly. But that doesn’t mean that the receiving servers are able to consume and render them that fast.

Davel23,

As per my edit of my original message, I was just being too impatient. But thanks for the reply!

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