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Mango, to quarks in Reddit has a new AI training deal to sell user content

They literally already sell our content. Why run it through an expensive warp?

DoomBot5,

Because people were getting it for free. This is just a way to monetize it.

Mango,

I should just refuse to move my body altogether when I’m not being explicitly paid for it so I’m not farmed for content.

StillPaisleyCat, to quarks in Paramount and Comcast are reportedly considering a streaming partnership
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SkyShowtime seems to be a pilot version of this in Eastern Europe and the Netherlands. Not that it seems to be doing all that well. However, I’m not sure what Peacock offers that’s original content so it’s questionable what a bundle would add.

In any event, this seems a daft thing to do when they’re trying to sell the firm. One of the biggest problems Paramount+ has had is that it doesn’t stick with a strategy and has been so tangled up in previous licensing or partnership deals that it can’t pursue its plans in any reasonable or systematic way. Tying the hands of a new owner with a poison pill deal with Comcast doesn’t seem to benefit anyone.

ValueSubtracted,
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I suppose it could make sense if they’re looking to break up the company and keep the streamer.

It does seem like bundling might be the new strategy for the non-Netflix, non-Disney players.

millie, to quarks in I’m sorry, but I cannot fulfill this request as it goes against OpenAI use policy

I can’t find a trace of this anywhere at all. :(

Telodzrum,

Same, I checked a few big online storefronts.

towerful,

I found one searching Amazon by searching for “cannot fulfill this request”.

Worparsen Bright Soft Fish Tank Light Led Aquarium Sorry I Cannot Fulfill This Request As It Goes Against Guidelines to Me Use of Words Like Best High-Quality Clear

A small usb powered fish tank light that has an air hose inlet for bubbles

GummySquirrel, (edited ) to quarks in Threads is officially starting to test ActivityPub integration
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Was there any more clarification on whether this instance would “defederate” from Meta? I remember reading about it ~5 months ago and posting a general query. IIRC the response was “we’ll cross that bridge if/when we get to it”.

I only have very basic knowldge of how the fediverse works, but does this mean Meta (Threads) is connected on lemmy ?

ValueSubtracted,
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Right now, we don’t see any real reason to do so. If someone can identify a clear, genuine threat from Meta besides “we don’t like them” (and, to be clear, we don’t), we’re open to hearing it. But as it stands, I haven’t seen anything concrete that would be cause for concern.

If the worst-case scenario is…more people can interact with us, then I don’t see what the problem is.

Jaccident,

It’s a fair point, “meta bad” is poor discourse. The most prevalent concern I’ve seen is that allowing federation to Meta is setting the stage for another Gtalk-XMPP style conflict.

In effect, when a party has such a disproportionate user base, they can use that to dictate terms on the evolution of the protocols that underpin a platform.

Here’s a write up by someone who worked on XMPP and Gtalk who puts it much better than I could. Article

Olgratin_Magmatoe,

“Embrace extend and extinguish” has happened before, and it can happen again if corp run instances are allowed to gain traction.

ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-ne…

I think it is a completely valid worry that corporations will come in, capture an audience, and then force the original lemmy instances into ruin. There is also the fact that corporations will want to make money off of it, and financial motivations are antithetical to the fediverse ecosystem.

ValueSubtracted,
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As an admin here, I’m not too worried about being “forced into ruin” - at worst, we would get bigger, and then get smaller again if Meta pulls the plug on ActivityPub.

But I can also assure you that we’ll be watching closely.

Jaccident,

I think the issue most are concerned with sits under the layer Admins are at. It’s not necessarily about the community administration, it’s about the software that makes up Lemmy. Threads will almost instantly make up 99% of users, so what incentive have they to play nice. The XMPP debacle wasn’t about integrating poorly, it was about specifically building a community in which was dependent on Gtalk users then mutating the protocol, eventually breaking with it. XMPP of course survived, but it died soon after, because when all the users no longer have access to their communities, why will they stay? Lemmy admins are worried that threads will become so integral to the fediverse that it’s removal will mean that users (who let’s be honest, don’t want to check more things than they need to) will go with threads.

ValueSubtracted,
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Lemmy admins are worried that threads will become so integral to the fediverse that it’s removal will mean that users (who let’s be honest, don’t want to check more things than they need to) will go with threads.

My instinct is to shrug if off and say, “so what?” Most people looking for this sort of experience already go to Reddit. This space exists for people who’d rather not. If a bunch of users decide to go to Threads, and then Meta takes away interoperability…we’ll still be here, doing what we do.

bradboimler,
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Honestly looking forward to can interact with friends I currently can not.

Corgana, to quarks in Newsletter platform Ghost adopts ActivityPub to ‘bring back the open web’
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This is very cool. Wordpress also has activitypub integration. I would love it if I could comment “directly” on blog posts with a Mastodon (or Lemmy!) account.

btaf45, to fediverse in President Biden is now posting into the fediverse

Can anyone tell me how I can follow President Biden from kbin.social?

Communist,
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I’d bet kbin is defederated, almost everything is defederated from threads

Maeve,

I hope you're right, but I would love to know someone posted this to Geno Joe.

btaf45,

If that's the case I will go to Mastodon. But I would love to follow Biden on kbin.

Nia_The_Cat,

kbin.social/u/@potus you can follow him via this link (anyone else on other kbin instances, just adjust the link to your instance, assuming you aren’t defederated or if it isn’t bugging out atm on your server it should work)

Remember that federation is currently one way with threads. You and other fediverse users can see your own replies and boosts etc on their posts and interact with each other, but no one from threads can see your interactions or replies to them.

HeartyBeast,

If you search for @potus he comes up and you can select Follow. Content should then show in the ‘Microblog’ stream. Might take a while to start flowing, though

btaf45,

Thanks! It works.

LibertyLizard, to fediverse in Meta just showed off Threads’ fediverse integration for the very first time

So which specific platforms are they integrated with? Just Mastodon or are there others?

Somewhereunknown7351,
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LibertyLizard,

Sounds like federation is more theoretical than real at this point. I don’t see much point in one way federation. But does this mean that threads users could pop into this thread and comment?

Somewhereunknown7351,
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No, they can’t see our comments (and posts) but they can see likes

LibertyLizard,

Ah I guess I hadn’t thought it through fully. So this does almost nothing in the current implementation.

Somewhereunknown7351,
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Yes, this does almost nothing in the current implementation

ghostblackout, to quarks in NASA’s Artemis mission to take humans back to the Moon has been delayed until 2025

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

sbv, to quarks in 2023 in social media: the case for the fediverse

It’ll be interesting to see how the Fediverse moves forward without direct monetization.

We’ve seen Usenet become more of a niche platform because it’s hard to monetize. Meanwhile, the popular social platforms (Facebook, Twitter, Instagram) are dripping in ads, which make it easier for them to build and maintain developer teams.

I want the Fediverse to succeed, but I have a hard time seeing how it can compete for average users without paid developer hours.

ValueSubtracted,
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Money is possibly the biggest concern when it comes to running an instance - it can be difficult to sustain donations over time.

I know the Lemmy devs have, or at least did have, some grants that were helping keep them afloat, but they still rely on donations from users.

Corgana,
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The development of New Exciting Features™ will probably be slower on nonprofit systems, but the enormous costs of moderation will be effectively zero, while simultaneously improving in quality. My prediction for what we’ll eventually see is “fun” ad-supported commercial platforms (assuming they can afford moderation), and a somewhat more “serious” discussion-based Fediverse.

ThuleanSneed, to quarks in SpaceX is cleared to attempt its third Starship test flight

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