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ImplyingImplications, to news in US mother sentenced to two years in prison for giving daughter abortion pills

Two years is probably worth it when the alternative was being forced to raise a grandchild she did not want for the next 18+ years

tsonfeir,
@tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

Everything about this comment is depressing.

jasory,

You mean like how individuals are supposedly forced to raise their grandchildren for 18+ years?

In the US you aren’t even forced to raise your own children, you can surrender them to the state if you really can’t take care of them.

Yeah, the dishonesty is depressing. Let’s just ignore that they are implying that a parent should be able to decide if their children reproduce, wouldn’t want people to become grandparents against their wishes!

tsonfeir,
@tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

I mean, those are the two options. Jail or a life raising a kid no one wanted.

jasory,

Yes, the only two options. You realise we are talking about grandparents? Grandparents have no innate legal guardianship over there grandchildren, it’s simply a social norm that they take care of them (often eagerly).

The second option isn’t even required of biological parents who are innate legal guardians let alone grandparents. I already said this once so the fact that you willfully ignored it is telling.

Also 18 years isn’t life, leave it to pro-abortion people to lie about the severity of everything simply to justify a personal convenience.

Nothing said here is true, and it’s so ironic that the Guardian makes a sob piece about this when what they did is illegal in most countries. (Including the UK where the Guardian is based).

tsonfeir,
@tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

I’m a little bit confused, which side are you on?

jasory,

The side of reality? Even if you support an outcome, you are under zero obligation to support everything that leads to that outcome either directly or incidentally.

It may be a fact that the Earth is somewhat spherical, but someone that comes to this conclusion using astronomical data is not equivalent to someone to determines that the Earth is a sphere because oranges are also spheres.

Even if you support the pro-choice position it’s easy to see that many claims and assumptions made are simply false. This is true for essentially every commonly held belief, the vast majority of people couldn’t even develop the scientific method independently.

tsonfeir,
@tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

Still confused, and it sounds like you’re being purposefully vague.

Be more specific:

Should the person go to jail? Yes or no.

Are you for or against a woman’s ability to have an abortion? For or against

jasory,

I’m actually not being purposely vague, you can tell pretty easily. The fact is that it doesn’t matter, so long as the actual criticism is valid.

“Should the person go to jail”- legally, of course.

Practically, probably not. Even though it was a clearly premeditated action, people are simply more sympathetic to certain types of people. This is why people will save their friends before strangers, it is not a question of morality that determines if your friends are more valuable, it’s purely psychology. Likewise people are more concerned about the person they see complaining about a minor inconvenience than the death toll of a famine. People will always fall for a victimisation narrative (everyone on this post is doing just that) so long as the “victim” is more appealing to them. Adult humans are just simply more appealing than fetuses, so incidents like these serve to whip up a frenzy despite the fact that virtually everyone agrees with the moral arguments against late-term abortion. (The majority of people openly oppose it, and those that don’t probably agree with a formal description of the argument, and just want to white knight).

“For or against a woman’s ability to have an abortion”

Nobody has any right to take conscious action to deprive others of future conscious experience, so long as it does not deprive themselves of future conscious experience. This is a fairly succinct claim that addresses the permissibility of killing the temporarily comatose, the suicidal, and individuals with ambiguous self-worth. (None of it is permissible, and consequently neither is abortion of a healthy fetus).

tsonfeir,
@tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

Got it. I don’t agree. Goodnight.

jasory,

Of course you don’t agree, would I have said a word if you did?

Unlike you I find no utility in circle jerking over something I already believe with a group of other dishonest morons.

tsonfeir,
@tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

Good thing you’re a minority. 🤪

squarm,

I adore that you either didnt read or didn’t comprehend the first paragraph of the article and then twist it to fit into your delusions. Its really cute. No critical thinking skills, just vibes. What a life. Honestly enviable.

ono, to news in With democracy on the ballot, the mainstream press must change its ways

“We have to be truthful, not neutral,” she urged. “I would make sure that you don’t just give a platform … to those who want to crash down the constitution and democracy.”

The importance of this cannot be overstated. Here’s hoping the press rises to the challenge of responsible journalism.

sonori,
@sonori@beehaw.org avatar

Ohh great, we’re all gonna die.

End0fLine, to news in US launches $1bn tree-planting scheme to mitigate effects of climate crisis
@End0fLine@startrek.website avatar

To add a positive comment, this really will make a difference in cities that have no tree cover. The heat island effect is awful and it has proven to be helped quite a bit by trees. No, it doesn’t fix the climate but it certainly helps urban livers.

Tigbitties,
@Tigbitties@kbin.social avatar

Montreal has been "greening" the city for a decade. I'm fortunate enough to be able to walk to work. The last 2 summers I've had to reroute my walk (adding 10 minutes) so I can stay in the greener parts of the city. It's easily 3-5°C cooler on the streets with green areas. When it's 35°C out... it's really noticable. It must have a mental health effects too because it's a god damned joy to walk to work now.

End0fLine,
@End0fLine@startrek.website avatar

Absolutely. I am fortunate to live in a heavily wooded neighborhood but live within walking distance of one of our entertainment districts that has not prioritized trees in any way. The difference is definitely noticeable. There is almost zero shade and it feels awful during our summers.

theodewere, to news in Carrefour puts ‘shrinkflation’ price warnings on food to shame brands
@theodewere@kbin.social avatar

wait are you saying there are stores in France who look out for their customers first? i mean this sounds dangerously close to respect for their customers at least..

exohuman, to news in From cage-free chicks to puppy mills and Avian flu: Republicans are trying to roll back animal protections in the U.S.
@exohuman@programming.dev avatar

Why are they so dead set on doing evil?

WHYAREWEALLCAPS,

Because it costs less. Treating animals like they do/did/want to requires less labor and less overhead costs so higher profits.

xilliah, to news in U.S., Texas teacher fired for showing Anne Frank graphic novel to eighth-graders

It was literally written by a 13 year old.

ThunderingJerboa,
@ThunderingJerboa@kbin.social avatar

Well to be fair, it was written by a 13 year old. That includes some things about growing up, so a whole mess of unfiltered thoughts, puberty, masturbation, etc. Some of which was censored by her father (to be fair I doubt she would have wanted all of that stuff actually published).

0x815,

I don’t know whether or not she would have wanted this stuff to be published nor what her father did, but that’s not the issue here. What Texas is doing here is deeply anti-democratic and authoritarian. That reminds us on China’s or Russia’s dictatorship.

HubertManne, to news in US mother sentenced to two years in prison for giving daughter abortion pills
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To poor to have a baby. Hey we will help you out and cover all the bills for the life of the child. JK but off to jail if you abort.

Gorejelly, to news in With democracy on the ballot, the mainstream press must change its ways
@Gorejelly@kbin.social avatar

I don't understand why every news source has to give dump so much more time than anyone else. Who cares what he said this time. It's the same thing every time. I guess it gets them more views (by what metric? Nielson?). CNN even said after dump's first win that maybe they shouldn't have given him about triple the coverage of every other candidate from both sides combined. In the interim years, CNN has still had more dump than even the current president.

This is why I do not watch news anymore. But, it matters little. Humanity, please continue our speed run to extinction.

Tigbitties, to news in Carrefour puts ‘shrinkflation’ price warnings on food to shame brands
@Tigbitties@kbin.social avatar

Stores make more on inflation than shrinkflation.

NecoArcKbinAccount, to news in US to argue Google abused power to monopolize internet search as antitrust trial begins
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Hopefully this stops WEI as it would allow Google to have a total monopoly over the internet.

btaf45,

It is impossible for a company to have a "total monopoly over the internet" because the internet has a decentralized design.

kubica, to news in X/Twitter scraps feature letting users report misleading information
@kubica@kbin.social avatar

Oh, come on, he's begging the governments for a ban.

DougHolland, to news in US mother sentenced to two years in prison for giving daughter abortion pills

It's the Republic of Gilead.

So fucking infuriating. Everything that ever made an American flag not worth burning seems to be over and done with.

@0x815

HubertManne, to news in From cage-free chicks to puppy mills and Avian flu: Republicans are trying to roll back animal protections in the U.S.
@HubertManne@kbin.social avatar

At their best republicans are pretty crappy but its super villian in a lair stuff like this which makes it impossible for me to understand how anyone can vote for this party.

spacecowboy,

Because there are a lot of people who are villains, Hubert. A lot.

kirklennon, to news in "It serves no purpose, it is unjust:" 63 Australian politicians urge US to let WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange walk free

Julian Assange, in addition to being a rapist, is objectively pro-Putin and pro-authoritarian. To be pro-Putin is also to be very anti–free press. He’s absolute garbage and these people are begging for his freedom? I’m so very glad nobody of consequence in the US government has any sympathy for this guy. If he hadn’t spent nearly a decade on the lam, he might already be finished with his US prison sentence, assuming he was convicted. Of course if he hadn’t waited out the statute of limitations, he’d also have to serve his Swedish rape prison sentence. At any rate, nobody should advocate for him except his own lawyers. These Australian politicians are throwing away their own dignity to appeal to the laziest, most insufferably ignorant of their constituents.

skellener, to news in X/Twitter scraps feature letting users report misleading information
@skellener@kbin.social avatar

He doesn’t want people reporting his misleading posts.

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