josemurilo, to random
@josemurilo@mato.social avatar

"Joining #ActivityPub would have been a big engineering effort, but federation could have brought in enough interesting content to make sticking around be worth it."

https://medium.com/gabor/from-t2-to-pebble-the-rise-challenges-and-lessons-of-building-a-twitter-alternative-553652f1d1e7

MegaMichelle, to random
@MegaMichelle@a2mi.social avatar

#ActivityPub has a lot of the same characteristics as email. But in email, the duties of each part of the process are split up, and you can mix-and-match software. Fediverse software is more tightly coupled than that.

SMTP is like the ActivityPub server-to-server protocol. Like in email with sendmail/exim/postfix/etc, you could have a program that does just this.

IMAP is like the server-to-client protocol. Like in email, with courier/dovecot/etc, you could have a program that does just this.

MegaMichelle,
@MegaMichelle@a2mi.social avatar

One thing the fediverse DOES have is multiple client programs. Like with Thunderbird/Roundcube/K-9 Mail, you can use a few different fediverse client apps, or even a couple that run on the web, like what's that one, Elk?

But a bunch of them, the "user-agents" are tied to the backend. Like, you can't use Mastodon's client with a Firefish server. I think it'd be better for the ecosystem if the clients were split from the servers, and the servers were split into S2S and S2C.

ramin_hal9001, to random
@ramin_hal9001@emacs.ch avatar

David Pierce of

It is nice he thinks ActivityPub is the Internet of the future, calling it "the post-platform" world in which journalists, individuals, organizations all run their own ActivityPub services rather than create accounts on platforms like Ex-Twitter or Facebook. But his perspective is still limited to a world where all applications run on the HTTP protocol with DNS identifying services. He talks about the "Post On (your) Own (host), Syndicate Everywhere" (POSSE) model, and how organizations and individuals can deploy Mastodon instances on their own servers. They also interviewed @pluralistic (Cory Doctorow) which was nice.

They really should have interviewed the @spritelyinst folks to see the real Internet of the future, in which HTTP is replaced with the Object Capability Network (OCapN). But to be fair, this tech is still pretty new and maybe not yet to the point where tech journalists at The Verge would be interested in doing articles about it.

#ActivityPub #Fediverse #OCapN #Mastodon #Spritely #SpritelyGoblins

RyunoKi,
@RyunoKi@layer8.space avatar

@ramin_hal9001

I agree. While interesting I don't think it's primetime for @spritelyinst just yet.

Even more so that advertising it now could have detrimental effects.

I pointed the author to Webmentions. Encouraging taking the control of one's content.

Let's see whether the subject is picked up.

Talking to folks like @interpeer made me realise that an Internet without DNS is possible. Something that didn't cross my mind.

@pluralistic

ramin_hal9001,
@ramin_hal9001@emacs.ch avatar

@spritelyinst @interpeer @pluralistic

> "Talking to folks like @interpeer made me realise that an Internet without DNS is possible. Something that didn't cross my mind."

@RyunoKi thanks for pointing me to @interpeer . I am very interested in all of these up-and-coming technologies.

rwg, to random
@rwg@aoir.social avatar

Latest #FOSSAcademic blog post: on #ActivityPub, the Non-Standard Standard.

https://fossacademic.tech/2023/10/15/APnonStandard.html

This is based on a presentation I'll be giving at #AoIR2023. It discusses 4 key ways ActivityPub is not a standard standard.

Comments welcome! You can comment on it by (publicly) responding to this Mastodon post.

box464, to random
@box464@mastodon.social avatar

Managing hashtags submitted with an #ActivityPub note is not as simple as you'd think. Hashtags are collected into a separate node in the Note object.

Firefish and Friendica for example, have their hashtag entry below the content. You've got to do cartwheels to combine those with any a user may have added in the note text itself, removing duplicates.

Then ensure you maintain the integrity of the note text but also add any missing tags so they are visible to end users.

🤸‍♂️🤸‍♀️🤸

#FediDev

mammoth, to random
@mammoth@moth.social avatar
J12t, to random
@J12t@social.coop avatar

Very much agreeing with @evan here on the strategy for and related.

https://evanp.me/2023/10/06/activitypub-the-socialcg-and-the-social-web/

bjoern, to random
@bjoern@mastodon.social avatar

"We get exponential growth based on having one protocol, not a half dozen. [..] standards aren’t about competition. They’re about cooperation".

Great article by @evanprodromou . I completely agree, has to win if we want to have a great social web. Don't get seduced by the shiny marketing of the next VC driven social network (protocol).

https://evanp.me/2023/10/06/activitypub-the-socialcg-and-the-social-web/

weekinfediverse, to random
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joewood, to random
@joewood@writing.exchange avatar

"Capitalism is Dead - Long Live Technofeudalism" - there's a lot think about in this:
https://unherd.com/2023/09/capitalism-is-dead-long-live-technofeudalism/

Is the Fediverse the start of taking back ownership of the platform? Do we need an ActivityPub for ecommerce, streaming, news articles? What else?
#activitypub #technofeudalism #fediverse

thomas, to random
@thomas@metalhead.club avatar

This tool lets me monitor the federation traffic from/to my Mastodon instance metalhead.club.

You can clearly see the other server locations - mainly in the US and Europe.

The tool is not ready for the public, but once it's finished and stable, I'll let you know :)

Video is showing a 3D globe in a web browser. Colorful arcs across cities in the globe show active ActivityPub connections.

devs, to random
@devs@fastly.social avatar

🤔 Did you know there’s a W3C Social Web Community Group? @haubles interviewed their latest member in this sit-down with enthusiast @casey.

https://dev.to/fastly/community-spotlight-casey-kolderup-creator-of-postmarks-has-joined-the-w3cs-social-web-community-group-bf8

evan, to random
@evan@cosocial.ca avatar

#ActivityPub is the default social networking protocol because we took the time to standardise it at the W3C.

You don't have to be part of the W3C to build on top of ActivityPub. You can make extensions and new applications without ever dealing with a formalised standards organisation.

But the benefit of having the W3C behind us is crystal clear. There have been dozens of distributed social networks, and none has gotten as much traction as AP and AS2.

evan,
@evan@cosocial.ca avatar

There are some folks who want a faster-moving, constantly-updated AP and AS2 docs.

We have a great process for making new extensions and applications of AP and AS2. It moves fast and is really loose:

https://codeberg.org/fediverse/fep

And you can do this kind of development outside of the FEP process, too.

AP and AS2 need to move slow and stable so everyone can build on them. Extensions can be fast and wild, because that's where new things happen.

steve, to random
@steve@social.technoetic.com avatar

Other than "Linked Data Event Streams", does anybody know of applications using Activity Streams 2.0 without #ActivityPub?

mburr, to random
@mburr@stranger.social avatar

Does the #fediverse have a federated answer to any of the following?

  • Signatures for my outgoing messages? (outside of the post's text itself)
  • Real-time group chat (discord)
  • Video "hangouts" (zoom, skype ...hangouts [google])
  • Privacy (signal, telegram)
  • #crypto or #blockchain anything that's in use

It looks like "youtube" is covered already, but any #scuttlebutt about that is appreciated. The knowledge about what's best or hot at any time is also federated 😕

#activitypub #social

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